Baldyman Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Anyway, I’m still cheesed off that we’re so far under the limit! Sorry for sounding like a broken record but that’s really rattled my cage That is definitely the biggest issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Actually,,, it's prob not an issue for 95 percent of those that go and watch. On other social media its a fantastic team that will be favourites. And let's be really really honest,,,, doesn't matter how good or how bad the team is or does,,, we still have more or less the same support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Steve Irving said: Of course I’m not, but I’ve been watching Speedway for more years than I care to remember. I know when I’m watching a rider struggling for form and confidence, and I know when I’m watching a rider not putting a shift in. Allen was the latter, and nobody is going to change my opinion on that. You can have an opinion on what you want and I have no desire to change it but you're a contradiction to yourself You admit you're not in behind the scenes, you've said you've watched a lot of speedway, you can tell when someone is low on confidence and when someone is not trying. That isn't knowing facts, that's similar to just tossing a coin to come up with an answer that suits you, it's very much character assassinating to say someone isn't trying However you're not behind the scenes to know for sure why any rider might be struggling for points, there are numerous reasons why various riders struggle at times, why not go see them after a meeting and ask them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Falcon1983 said: You can have an opinion on what you want and I have no desire to change it but you're a contradiction to yourself You admit you're not in behind the scenes, you've said you've watched a lot of speedway, you can tell when someone is low on confidence and when someone is not trying. That isn't knowing facts, that's similar to just tossing a coin to come up with an answer that suits you, it's very much character assassinating to say someone isn't trying However you're not behind the scenes to know for sure why any rider might be struggling for points, there are numerous reasons why various riders struggle at times, why not go see them after a meeting and ask them That makes absolutely zero sense to me, none whatsoever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Falcon1983 said: You can have an opinion on what you want and I have no desire to change it but you're a contradiction to yourself You admit you're not in behind the scenes, you've said you've watched a lot of speedway, you can tell when someone is low on confidence and when someone is not trying. That isn't knowing facts, that's similar to just tossing a coin to come up with an answer that suits you, it's very much character assassinating to say someone isn't trying However you're not behind the scenes to know for sure why any rider might be struggling for points, there are numerous reasons why various riders struggle at times, why not go see them after a meeting and ask them I’ll throw my penny’s worth in here if I may, as to be fair I had the same feelings on Allen as Steve has. In fact, I was pretty vocal after a meeting during the season in which I was less than happy with what I saw from him in regards to effort. I don’t know any “facts” either, but I definitely got the impression at times that he was just giving up in a number of races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: I’ll throw my penny’s worth in here if I may, as to be fair I had the same feelings on Allen as Steve has. In fact, I was pretty vocal after a meeting during the season in which I was less than happy with what I saw from him in regards to effort. I don’t know any “facts” either, but I definitely got the impression at times that he was just giving up in a number of races. These are personal feelings though arent they, you got the impression he was giving up, steve got the impression he was not trying on purpose, it's fine but are they not just your personal opinions not based on knowing any facts It's the same for all riders really, I'm privy to a little bit of information on Jake, but it's the same for all riders, it's their living I dont think many are deliberately trying to score 0's I'm sure there are reasons for most riders why they dont perform in certain meetings or for a certain duration of time, it's a very accessible sport so why not ask a rider why they are struggling rather than post it across forums, this isnt an aim at either of you personally just generally as you get a lot of people posting on all aspects of social media, just ask a rider, there are a few fans that do, you get an understanding from the horses mouth then you can put those words against your opinion then either change your opinion or come up with a new conclusion I'm all for opinions and people should have their own but some also cross a line at times which isn't necessary but then the world is filled with all types of people isnt it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Falcon1983 said: These are personal feelings though arent they, you got the impression he was giving up, steve got the impression he was not trying on purpose, it's fine but are they not just your personal opinions not based on knowing any facts It's the same for all riders really, I'm privy to a little bit of information on Jake, but it's the same for all riders, it's their living I dont think many are deliberately trying to score 0's Are you not in fact a little closer than that? Isn't there a new interactive fan opportunity with Jake that you have some input in? It makes it understandable therefore that you would have more insight re Jake and aa to why you offer the defence you seem to be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 Fopr me, Allen doesn't have the right technique to become a higher level rider. Sits on the seat too much backing it into a corner. Will be ok as a league rider though, particularly on the easier bigger tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 13 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Are you not in fact a little closer than that? Isn't there a new interactive fan opportunity with Jake that you have some input in? It makes it understandable therefore that you would have more insight re Jake and aa to why you offer the defence you seem to be All I'm going to say is that alot of riders struggled last season whether that's due to the covid break, mental health, relationship issues, tyre issues, financial issues etc and yeah maybe a few riders dont try at times but without knowing factually I'd never say that in a public domain. For some riders the only money they earn is through their riding, the only money they can spend on machinery is via their riding as a few aussie boys are only in on a sporting Visa so are unable to work inbetween racing, I'm sure they want to be able to pay their living costs and eat and drink. 2 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: Fopr me, Allen doesn't have the right technique to become a higher level rider. Sits on the seat too much backing it into a corner. Will be ok as a league rider though, particularly on the easier bigger tracks. That is what I call an opinion and a fair one as that's a judgement on something you can see I.e. style and technique Lets see what 2022 brings for all riders as they have now had a full season back, all riders will be better prepared for 2022, let's hope it's an exciting close season for all connected to the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) On 1/1/2022 at 6:58 PM, Arch Stanton said: Anyway, I’m still cheesed off that we’re so far under the limit! Sorry for sounding like a broken record but that’s really rattled my cage No idea who else the Witches could sign to be closer to the limit? The Prem has had to bring in some second-hand riders to bolster a couple of teams (Basso is closest to a "new" signing), and BV seem to be struggling to fill their seven. On top of that, the Witches don't have a recent record for unearthing new talent from anywhere ... The riders they have chosen to wear a Witches suit are popular with the vast majority of home fans - who simply like to support nice blokes, who try hard. Many of them still love Heeps, despite his frustrating lack of overall progress - and King is a hero, even though he's never shown the same capability of team riding that we associate with the truly great Witches #1s. It'll be fascinating to see if King can develop any sort of understanding with Doyle for Heats 13 & 15, and the new pairs competition. Edited January 3, 2022 by Roger Jacobs Typo corrected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman1 Posted January 2, 2022 Report Share Posted January 2, 2022 13 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: Fopr me, Allen doesn't have the right technique to become a higher level rider. Sits on the seat too much backing it into a corner. Will be ok as a league rider though, particularly on the easier bigger tracks. Really ? The technique has won many finals all round the globe and has improved every year in uk , one of the liveliest riders to watch on a bike . A rider doesn’t loose his technique in the premier league and get it back in the championship in same week,I would have a close look at management as they are not there too eat, seems to me the witches fail as a team regular home and away,no rider wants 0 points as that is 0 dollars Comments like ‘easier bigger tracks’ makes me aware that you have no idea of racing speedway for a living 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) 20 hours ago, Spiderman1 said: Really ? The technique has won many finals all round the globe and has improved every year in uk , one of the liveliest riders to watch on a bike . A rider doesn’t loose his technique in the premier league and get it back in the championship in same week,I would have a close look at management as they are not there too eat, seems to me the witches fail as a team regular home and away, no rider wants 0 points as that is 0 dollars. Comments like ‘easier bigger tracks’ makes me aware that you have no idea of racing speedway for a living. Not sure of "many finals" that Allen has won "around the globe" ... a State Championship was a good achievement. Last season he definitely struggled with Foxhall, which, despite the many changes, is still more technical than others of a similar white line size - namely Scunthorpe and Redcar. I believe that Ipswich and Scunthorpe are both officially 285 metres, while Redcar is a bit shorter at 271. However, I don't think Foxhall is as wide as either of those, although I'm struggling to find the actual data. No direct criticism of Allen - he's clearly a competitive rider when he's happy and confident. I definitely agree that the Ipswich management have been lacking for a long time in producing an overall team that has a killer instinct - they produce teams that keep the majority of home fans happy because they are full of nice blokes who try hard - but ultimately don't achieve a great deal. Edited January 3, 2022 by Roger Jacobs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Roger Jacobs said: Not sure of "many finals" that Allen has won "around the globe" ... a State Championship was a good achievement. Last season he definitely struggled with Foxhall, which, despite the many changes, is still more technical than others of a similar white line size - namely Scunthorpe and Redcar. I believe that Ipswich and Scunthorpe are both officially 285 metres, while Redcar is a bit shorter at 271. However, I don't think Foxhall is as wide as either of those, although I'm struggling to find the actual data. No direct criticism of Allen - he's clearly a competitive rider when he's happy and confident. I definitely agree that the Ipswich management have been lacking for a long time in producing an overall team that has a killer instinct - they produce teams that keep the majority of home fans happy because they are full of nice blokes who try hard - but ultimately don't achieve a great deal. In the corners I would say Foxhall is wider than those 2 tracks,,, what it doesn't have is the amount of banking that they do,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman1 Posted January 3, 2022 Report Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Baldyman said: In the corners I would say Foxhall is wider than those 2 tracks,,, what it doesn't have is the amount of banking that they do,,, Something about the foxhole last year ,clearly no advantage to home riders as of past years, most meets were inconsistent results(exception king ) king definitely had a buffer with some setup ,engine or frame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 13 hours ago, Spiderman1 said: Something about the foxhole last year ,clearly no advantage to home riders as of past years, most meets were inconsistent results(exception king ) king definitely had a buffer with some setup ,engine or frame If you watch King at Foxhall,, he rides a different line into the bends,, he turns in metres later.,,, also when on his best form Heeps does the same. Last year Allen was going into bends,, over locking trying to keep it tight,,, thats how it looked anyway. Up in back straight stand you can see the different lines the riders take,,, maybe a few of them should go up there and watch where Danny turns,,, as its definatley the fastest way round Foxhall after a couple of races 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 22 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: I definitely agree that the Ipswich management have been lacking for a long time in producing an overall team that has a killer instinct - they produce teams that keep the majority of home fans happy because they are full of nice blokes who try hard - but ultimately don't achieve a great deal. Impossible to argue with that. We haven’t won anything for many many years now, so the team building has been a failure. Louis has to accept that. Even dropping a division and arguably having a bigger budget than most if not all, didn’t change that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 Reading Woofy may be returning to Britain,,, wow he could have made a good third heat leader 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted January 4, 2022 Report Share Posted January 4, 2022 9 hours ago, Baldyman said: If you watch King at Foxhall,, he rides a different line into the bends,, he turns in metres later.,,, also when on his best form Heeps does the same. Last year Allen was going into bends,, over locking trying to keep it tight,,, thats how it looked anyway. Up in back straight stand you can see the different lines the riders take,,, maybe a few of them should go up there and watch where Danny turns,,, as its definatley the fastest way round Foxhall after a couple of races Remember several seasons ago bomber was interviewed after a race he’d just come second to Danny and said he was watching Danny trying pick up the lines as he’s so good round ipswich… not sure he learned a lot based on subsequent performances for/against us at Foxhall but for sure other riders take note of how Danny rides Foxhall no doubt, jake didn’t look like he had the confidence to go out in the dirt at any point last season tho did he Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman1 Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 12 hours ago, 89buttons said: Remember several seasons ago bomber was interviewed after a race he’d just come second to Danny and said he was watching Danny trying pick up the lines as he’s so good round ipswich… not sure he learned a lot based on subsequent performances for/against us at Foxhall but for sure other riders take note of how Danny rides Foxhall no doubt, jake didn’t look like he had the confidence to go out in the dirt at any point last season tho did he If king adds to his average, I’ll be surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted January 6, 2022 Report Share Posted January 6, 2022 23 hours ago, Spiderman1 said: If king adds to his average, I’ll be surprised King needs to improve in Heat 13 & 15 if he wants to up his average. 2021 Home average: 8.45 Average in Heats 13 & 15: 6.86 2021 Away average: 7.48 Average in Heats 13 & 15: 6.15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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