dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: Would be happy with either if the others were Buttons team and not Flappy’s! I’m not against Heeps being included like others seem to be, his average now looks a good one. Edit: Let’s not start putting both Cook AND Crump back in the line up, poor old Taps will start having another meltdown Would save me £20 a week (Well a fortnight usually and once each month of the prime summer months of July and August ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Baldyman said: Heeps average has been looking good for many years,,, and that's my problem,,, his average was higher cos he spent a lot of time at reserve,,, but once in main team,, he went a bit missing. Last season he wasn't overly bad for us,, in fact I would say he done as I would expect,,, okay,, but I just want to see something different,,, I'm bored season after season after season with riders that are okay,, I want to see some new face come in and improve into something good. He dropped a point and a half off his starting average in an ever weakening league, he was dreadful hence why he was axed. If one of the “lads” was axed you know he’s been pants. I’m very much like you though. A lot of fans love to see continuity and have the same old faces back year after year, I get bored quite easily and prefer to see plenty of new fresh faces come March. Heeps I have a bit of a soft spot for though, I love his style (except this year) around Foxhall. He’s one of the few riders who grabs a handful of throttle, scrapes the boards and always looks for the pass. I enjoy watching him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Re Cam - prior to his injury whilst he didn't quite look on the pace as you would hope he only needed to have scored 2 more points to have been on par with his starting average...... Post injury he was to say the least shocking (tempered by the fact that it was for Kings Lynn ) His last few Championship performances did pick up relatively without being to the level expected A fit Cam will put a point on his current average minimum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) Agree, which is why it makes sense to include him. Don’t think he’d be as much of a bargain for anyone else than he would for us, due to his liking of Foxhall. Last chance saloon though.. Edited November 13, 2021 by Arch Stanton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Well I'm gonna disagree,,,, I don't think Cam will put anywhere near a point on his average,,, in fact I'm gonna say it won't go up at all. He can't gate for toffee,,, and his track craft isn't good enough to stay in front of any one slightly decent. So let's hope he signs and we will see who is right. I consider myself to be pretty good with what rider will do what. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Agree, which is why it makes sense to include him. Don’t think he’d be as much of a bargain for anyone else than he would for us, due to his liking of Foxhall. Last chance saloon though.. I don't think any other team would have him,,, even on this for the however manyth time supposed decent/bargain average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Baldyman said: I don't think any other team would have him,,, even on this for the however manyth time supposed decent/bargain average Strange as I would have thought Cam would have been right up your street to be honest. Whenever the BSPA release their “race of the night” on social media, the ones of us nearly always involve Cam. Fair enough if you don’t think he’ll improve his average, but I’d have thought you’d have wanted him for the entertainment value around Foxhall. Let’s be honest, he’s pretty much the only one we’ve had in recent years that offers that. Covatti was the last one before him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Baldyman said: I don't think any other team would have him,,, even on this for the however manyth time supposed decent/bargain average Wouldn't want him at Panthers. The hope will be he does an Ostergaard before his 40th birthday and Ipswich benefit for all the hope, time and effort invested Edited November 14, 2021 by Flappy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 32 minutes ago, Flappy said: Wouldn't want him at Panthers. The hope will be he does an Ostergaard before his 40th birthday and Ipswich benefit for all the hope, time and effort invested Plenty of time for that. He’s still only 26 years old believe it or not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: Much better and agree, would be contenders. Others have confidence that the team posted earlier is the one though.. Time will tell won’t it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 FYI heeps was included in my 1-7 draft based on me doing the maths on the other six and it leaving 5.26… with cam at 5.10 if I’ve got the other six right let’s face it cam will be that 7th rider, I’m not all for him or all against him, clearly this season he was massively hampered by the shoulder injury - tbh don’t think he ever had full fitness or strength back, but he did have a slow start before that, equally he can be a good rider at home and away at times if dropping to reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Each to their own obviously, but I’d much rather watch the likes of Heeps battling for second or thirds than robotic trappers like Klindt who although will win more races and therefore give the team a better chance of success, but will bore you to tears in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Which season was it that Heeps had a bit of a breakthrough, 2017 or 2018? Can remember him guesting for Somerset at Lynn and looking really good, of course every season that passes where he falls below that best season the less likely it is that he'll get back there but you always feel that I'd he gets his head and body in the right place he could be a good rider because the ability is definitely there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Can watch this type of racing all day. Since moving to Bury St Edmunds a few years ago, I go to Ipswich 3 or 4 times a season to take in a meeting. Heeps always seems to be box office whenever I’ve been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, Steve Irving said: Can watch this type of racing all day. Since moving to Bury St Edmunds a few years ago, I go to Ipswich 3 or 4 times a season to take in a meeting. Heeps always seems to be box office whenever I’ve been. Nearly every clip uploaded by the club as their highlight race of the night over the last few years involved him grabbing a handful of throttle and going around someone. But as I said in an earlier post, at the start of the year before the injury, we weren’t seeing that. I know Taps has rightly said he was only a couple of points away from holding his starting average before injury, but he never looked right to me, very flat. That could have been machinery related, a slow start due to inactivity for a year because of the gap caused by Covid ( would affect some riders more than others) or could have been a lack of hunger and desire. If it was the latter then that would be the biggest concern as the other reason could be easily overcome. Let’s be honest, Cam’s professionalism and dedication has come in to question in the past and with good reason. He cleaned up at youth level in Australia, came over here at 15 and immediately topped the NL averages with Mildenhall and looked destined for huge things in the sport. Safe to say he’s never got anywhere near fulfilling his huge potential and talent he clearly had/has. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Steve Irving said: Can watch this type of racing all day. Since moving to Bury St Edmunds a few years ago, I go to Ipswich 3 or 4 times a season to take in a meeting. Heeps always seems to be box office whenever I’ve been. That is a truly fantastic ride. Heeps is a little like Ben Howe, both had bags of ability but never seemed like achieving the success they should. Both fans favourites because of their all action from the back approach. On another note this clip shows both the good and bad, a fantastic heat of action truly top draw sporting action, but 1 minute 14 seconds of buggering about at the start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Baldyman said: Well I'm gonna disagree,,,, I don't think Cam will put anywhere near a point on his average,,, in fact I'm gonna say it won't go up at all. He can't gate for toffee,,, and his track craft isn't good enough to stay in front of any one slightly decent. So let's hope he signs and we will see who is right. I consider myself to be pretty good with what rider will do what. Gotta agree here! I think if Heeps can keep a 5.1 ave he'll be doing well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted November 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: Gotta agree here! I think if Heeps can keep a 5.1 ave he'll be doing well! His final average in his only season with Ipswich in the top flight was 6.30 in 2019. If you look on the BSPA website at the strength of the teams involved, they were far stronger than they are now as well so that negates the fact that some of that season was spent at reserve. He won’t be “doing well” to keep a 5.1 average so I’ll respectfully disagree. I still firmly believe that IF he is back, he’ll put a point minimum on his starting average with the caveat that his head isn’t in the clouds.. Edited November 14, 2021 by Arch Stanton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 If it’s a fit and trim cam I’d definitely retain him but if it’s the larger version we should let him move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: If it’s a fit and trim cam I’d definitely retain him but if it’s the larger version we should let him move on. Seeing a pic of him with his golfing buds the other day,, he does still look pretty trim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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