cityrebel Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 With Richard Lawson signing for Plymouth and King's Lynn next season, it looks like more of the same for next year. If something is broke, why try and repair it! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, cityrebel said: With Richard Lawson signing for Plymouth and King's Lynn next season, it looks like more of the same for next year. If something is broke, why try and repair it! Yes....looks like same old...same old...I despair!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 Hold on a minute though, it's early days yet... I don't know how they're going to do it yet but I'm sure the BSPL can do something that will make things worse, just give them time. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 I doubt anything is set in stone just yet but Plymouth may have jumped the gun on this one.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, M.D said: I doubt anything is set in stone just yet but Plymouth may have jumped the gun on this one.. The master plan is, all riders can ride for two clubs in the same league. It makes perfect sense to me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) One league, 5 riders per team of which one must be a rising star, 15 heats, I'm thinking this will give riders more rides per meeting (minimum 6 rides for the top 4 each + the no.5 minimum 4 rides, then the nominated heat) therefore cutting out the need to race for 2 teams. Those who are riding for 2 teams at the moment, which is most riders, will still have the same number of meetings under the new system (depending upon which clubs start next season). And have a handicap style cup competition. Keep the NDL. Edited September 10, 2021 by PirateShip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, blueherb777 said: Yes....looks like same old...same old...I despair!!! Didn't they make up a 5 year plan for the Rising Stars so surely they should see it through although I have not seen anything in print about what happens in year 2, then year 3, etc. They are not going to change the rules year after year just to confuse us. This year, most posters were saying that this year was about getting started & getting through this difficult period but now it is the business end, their views have changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 Just now, IronScorpion said: Didn't they make up a 5 year plan for the Rising Stars so surely they should see it through although I have not seen anything in print about what happens in year 2, then year 3, etc. They are not going to change the rules year after year just to confuse us. This year, most posters were saying that this year was about getting started & getting through this difficult period but now it is the business end, their views have changed. They supposed to be having 2 rising stars per team next year but how can this possibly happen. Even if they managed to fill approx 36 positions what happens when it comes to injuries? The competive ability of young riders to completey fill these positions just isn't there and they will be half a lap behind if not more by the end of the race. The last time they had 2 rising stars & injuries occurred the replacements were way behind even in the reserves race. Not the rider's fault, just the stupid rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 Exactly my point. They (BSP Ltd or SCB) make the rules, do not explain them clearly with grey areas found in the RS process this year alone never mind dodgy signings on false averages & team changes. Even though we are now in to September, there will have been a few Promoter meetings at Rugby around the AGM & rules for 2022 & it would not surprise me that Plymouth & Kings Lynn are not the only ones to have made signings in readiness for 2022 just not announced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, IronScorpion said: Exactly my point. They (BSP Ltd or SCB) make the rules, do not explain them clearly with grey areas found in the RS process this year alone never mind dodgy signings on false averages & team changes. Even though we are now in to September, there will have been a few Promoter meetings at Rugby around the AGM & rules for 2022 & it would not surprise me that Plymouth & Kings Lynn are not the only ones to have made signings in readiness for 2022 just not announced. No different to any other season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, cityrebel said: With Richard Lawson signing for Plymouth and King's Lynn next season, it looks like more of the same for next year. If something is broke, why try and repair it! Must be tempting.. No headaches arranging fixtures, even rearranging fixtures, due to all pretty much domiciled over here, and race nights being fixed... No flights to pay for, and no hotels to pay for commuting overseas riders.. No over inflated heat leader type contracts to pay out for the next foreign 4 point averaged "wunderkind" to ride at reserve. Instead you will be paying RS's.. And riders (heat leaders in particular) getting plenty of rides (and opportunity to make money), in both divisions, potentially, given the Div One fixed race nights, being able to ride seven meetings a week, five or even six races a night, with a fair few of the races having an RS up against them.. A win, win for all... Why change something so "good"... Edited September 10, 2021 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 Well my contacts are telling me this.. It will be one league next season with a fluid rider system for all tracks, an example below Eastbourne will return so Tom Brennan will revert to Eastbourne on his CMA This is not fair on Glasgow so Tom can take his place in their line up too Tom can also ride for Belle Vue as a rising star as they had first dibs When Glasgow face Belle Vue, then Glasgow must use a guest for Tom up to his CMA as he is a rising star and that takes priority for Belle Vue When Glasgow face Eastbourne, then the home team has the use of Tom with R/R used by the away team in the interest of the sport And so forth.. Very simple and well thought out. 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 59 minutes ago, M.D said: Well my contacts are telling me this.. It will be one league next season with a fluid rider system for all tracks, an example below Eastbourne will return so Tom Brennan will revert to Eastbourne on his CMA This is not fair on Glasgow so Tom can take his place in their line up too Tom can also ride for Belle Vue as a rising star as they had first dibs When Glasgow face Belle Vue, then Glasgow must use a guest for Tom up to his CMA as he is a rising star and that takes priority for Belle Vue When Glasgow face Eastbourne, then the home team has the use of Tom with R/R used by the away team in the interest of the sport And so forth.. Very simple and well thought out. Makes sense to me!  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 9 hours ago, cityrebel said: With Richard Lawson signing for Plymouth and King's Lynn next season, it looks like more of the same for next year. If something is broke, why try and repair it! Doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result is the definition of madness, its clear to most that the current structure and plan just isnt working. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, screm said: Doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result is the definition of madness, its clear to most that the current structure and plan just isnt working. Absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, M.D said: Well my contacts are telling me this.. Who is your contact, Fred Karno? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 Whats the need for change - its been a highly succesful season, the p.offs got record crowds , and after the challenges of operating with limited crowds due to COVID restrictions, every club has enjoyed a wonderful season. ...... In the fantastic Championship League ......sadly Eastbourne closed, Birmingham suffered financial problems, Newcastle are looking for new owners, Poole are in discussions over the continued use of their stadium, but other than that it has been a wonderful season with entertainment from the top drawer. The stand out "Premiership" tier has once again delivered first class entertainment, and goes from strength to strength, with the BSPL once again struggling to decide who to admit to this "elite" division of racing. This season we had 6 clubs fighting tooth and nail for the coveted 4 play off spots. The qualifiers for the 4 spots were in doubt until early May and this made for some top quality racing of the highest standard that England can offer. Of particular note in 2021 has been the huge success of the rising star programme which has developed so many new potential world champions for English speedway. None of the rising stars were known in the sport at the beginning of the season, and all are truly the product of the rising star programme. Next season will see twice as many rising stars in teams , and England will once again have top calibre riders to challenge the worlds top Speedway Grand Prix stars.    8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, iainb said: Who is your contact, Fred Karno? The BSPL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Whats the need for change - its been a highly succesful season, the p.offs got record crowds , and after the challenges of operating with limited crowds due to COVID restrictions, every club has enjoyed a wonderful season. ...... In the fantastic Championship League ......sadly Eastbourne closed, Birmingham suffered financial problems, Newcastle are looking for new owners, Poole are in discussions over the continued use of their stadium, but other than that it has been a wonderful season with entertainment from the top drawer. The stand out "Premiership" tier has once again delivered first class entertainment, and goes from strength to strength, with the BSPL once again struggling to decide who to admit to this "elite" division of racing. This season we had 6 clubs fighting tooth and nail for the coveted 4 play off spots. The qualifiers for the 4 spots were in doubt until early May and this made for some top quality racing of the highest standard that England can offer. Of particular note in 2021 has been the huge success of the rising star programme which has developed so many new potential world champions for English speedway. None of the rising stars were known in the sport at the beginning of the season, and all are truly the product of the rising star programme. Next season will see twice as many rising stars in teams , and England will once again have top calibre riders to challenge the worlds top Speedway Grand Prix stars.    Think that’s how they will see it judged by previous seasons. What Year it’s been ,They are having a new trophy this season,Rider of the Year with most Guest Appearances.It’s a close with many still in contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted September 10, 2021 Report Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Think that’s how they will see it judged by previous seasons. What Year it’s been ,They are having a new trophy this season,Rider of the Year with most Guest Appearances.It’s a close with many still in contention. Well you can guarantee Scunthorpe will win track of the year again , it’s in the rule book now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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