MartinBSN Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Dog said: Lost all respect for the Redcar management last night after they threw their toys out of the pram basically because they were getting outgated and beat early on. They appeared to have an agenda which goes back to the first meeting between the teams. Nothing to report on the track walk, didn't hear anything about the track from the first few heats and then the manager decided he wanted to speak to the referee. Even his own riders looked miffed. By this point, no rider had struggled with the track, nobody had fell off and Kerr had posted one of the fastest times of the year. So the referee had to come down because the team manager said his riders wouldn't ride. The manager insisted on the grading taking place. A stronger referee would have told them to crack on but once she agreed to walk the track they were always going to get what they wanted. It's these sort of childish shenanigans that's killing speedway and it was sad to see. The way Birmingham started, it was set up to be a really good meeting, Kerr was superb and showed everyone how to ride a track. The delay did enhance the crowd participation and produced a great atmosphere, something that a lot of meetings sadly lack. If the meeting had just carried on, it had the potential to be a classic but Redcars management had other ideas. Can only think it's a bit of payback from previously. I'm not bothered about the result too much but the way we got there, I do have an issue with. Yes Birmingham have had problems with the track this year but last night wasn't really one of them but Redcar made it a problem. Redcar are a good side with some excellent fans but the management side are quite frankly pathetic. Tofty has openly admitted he refused to ride the dangerous track after his first race. "Even his own riders looked miffed" is clearly a wrong observation. The big difference here is the Redcar management are prepared to back their riders to the hilt. Birmingham riders are just threatened with the sack if they refuse to ride. Edited September 9, 2021 by Marshall07 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 Redcar riders 'especially' Charles Wright are a bunch of whinging whimps! They need to man up! Wright is a posing pu##y! He was the top-hat that caused the delay in the opening meeting.....'grow a pair'! Wright only complained because he was beaten by a B'ham reserve in Heat 1! This was planned imo....especially after the KOC match....probably cost us our status! How can the track be bad, if Kerr clocks one of the fastest time of the season? (Redcar manager forgot to tell him to slow down). I certainly hope Redcar dont win the League.....c'mon 'POOLE'! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted September 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 I'm not convinced Wright was the rider to complain, he was already on the back straight ready for heat 5 (along with Shanes & Morris) when the Dave Rowe asked the clerk of the course to speak to the referee over the PA (which I could hear as the tractor wasn't going around). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Col said: The A34 is stop & start due to traffic lights, regardless of roadworks, that isn't really the issue especially that late. If the M6/M54 are clear I can get home in 20 minutes from Perry Barr, the roadworks at M6 junction 10 are the issue, it's taken me nearly 2 hours to get home recently. I'll deal with it if the meeting ends at 21:15 as normal but any later and the build up of traffic crawling towards junction 10 is far worse, it's been a crawl from just after the M5 junction a couple of times. While the traffic issues continue on the M6 J10 why don't you find an alternative route? You can easily avoid the motorway by using the A34 to the Scott Arms Junction , take the A4041 to West Brom & then join the A41 to Wolverhampton, this will take you to the M54 if you need to go that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Redcar riders 'especially' Charles Wright are a bunch of whinging whimps! They need to man up! Wright is a posing pu##y! He was the top-hat that caused the delay in the opening meeting.....'grow a pair'! Wright only complained because he was beaten by a B'ham reserve in Heat 1! This was planned imo....especially after the KOC match....probably cost us our status! How can the track be bad, if Kerr clocks one of the fastest time of the season? (Redcar manager forgot to tell him to slow down). I certainly hope Redcar dont win the League.....c'mon 'POOLE'! So then, Aaron Summers, Ricky Wells, Nick Morris, Palm Toft...are these riders all pussies too?! When will Birmingham see that it is THEIR doing?! Its not much to ask from riders that a track is prepared safely for them to ride. Dust would have been acceptable on a hot day like yesterday. A patchy rutty track, soaked in places and dry in others is never acceptable. For me, if Harris says "it's fair enough" that Redcar challenged the track conditions then that says a lot about how bad they were as he'll ride anything! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted September 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: While the traffic issues continue on the M6 J10 why don't you find an alternative route? You can easily avoid the motorway by using the A34 to the Scott Arms Junction , take the A4041 to West Brom & then join the A41 to Wolverhampton, this will take you to the M54 if you need to go that far. I haven't tried that route, I have got on the M6, got on the M5, got off next junction and Black Country Routed from West Brom it to Willenhall (which is not great but bearable) after that it gets awful! I don't know Walsall at all, but Sat Nav has tried taking me further along the A34, which is possibly a better option I just don't know the route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 39 minutes ago, Marshall07 said: Tofty has openly admitted he refused to ride the dangerous track after his first race. "Even his own riders looked miffed" is clearly a wrong observation. The big difference here is the Redcar management are prepared to back their riders to the hilt. Birmingham riders are just threatened with the sack if they refuse to ride. No Birmingham rider has ever been threatened with the sack under any circumstances. MPT only moaned about the track after the manager decided he was going to complain because things wasn't going his way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Col said: I haven't tried that route, I have got on the M6, got on the M5, got off next junction and Black Country Routed from West Brom it to Willenhall (which is not great but bearable) after that it gets awful! I don't know Walsall at all, but Sat Nav has tried taking me further along the A34, which is possibly a better option I just don't know the route. You shouldn't need to go through Willenhall. Once on the A41 go through Wednesbury & Bilston , that will take past Monmore Green & I bet you will know your way home from there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Dog said: No Birmingham rider has ever been threatened with the sack under any circumstances. MPT only moaned about the track after the manager decided he was going to complain because things wasn't going his way. You must know best then, crack on! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 Just out of interest who was the ref last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berry9 Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 I don't know her name but she also had a trainee ref who accompanied her during her track inspection so she must be experienced enough to train future refs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Argos said: Just out of interest who was the ref last night It was Barbara Horley according to the programme. With a trainee that wasn't named. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toto Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 2 hours ago, The Dog said: Lost all respect for the Redcar management last night after they threw their toys out of the pram basically because they were getting outgated and beat early on. They appeared to have an agenda which goes back to the first meeting between the teams. Nothing to report on the track walk, didn't hear anything about the track from the first few heats and then the manager decided he wanted to speak to the referee. Even his own riders looked miffed. By this point, no rider had struggled with the track, nobody had fell off and Kerr had posted one of the fastest times of the year. So the referee had to come down because the team manager said his riders wouldn't ride. The manager insisted on the grading taking place. A stronger referee would have told them to crack on but once she agreed to walk the track they were always going to get what they wanted. It's these sort of childish shenanigans that's killing speedway and it was sad to see. The way Birmingham started, it was set up to be a really good meeting, Kerr was superb and showed everyone how to ride a track. The delay did enhance the crowd participation and produced a great atmosphere, something that a lot of meetings sadly lack. If the meeting had just carried on, it had the potential to be a classic but Redcars management had other ideas. Can only think it's a bit of payback from previously. I'm not bothered about the result too much but the way we got there, I do have an issue with. Yes Birmingham have had problems with the track this year but last night wasn't really one of them but Redcar made it a problem. Redcar are a good side with some excellent fans but the management side are quite frankly pathetic. Bad loser. Brum are going bust so who has the pathetic management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Marshall07 said: You must know best then, crack on! We will. Enjoy your hollow victory, well earned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Toto said: Bad loser. Brum are going bust so who has the pathetic management Interesting. Let’s hope a Just Giving page doesn’t appear with Redcars name on it at some point. With no local derby where’s your cash cow coming from ive said it before, anyone who supports last night Shenanigans really needs a hard look at how not to bite the hand that feeds them. Edited September 9, 2021 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Dog said: We will. Enjoy your hollow victory, well earned. I'll enjoy it along with the other 15 points on the road this season...all the way to the play offs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 Just now, Deano said: Interesting. Let’s hope a Just Giving page doesn’t appear with Redcars name on it at some point. With no local derby where’s your cash cow coming from. Newcastle haven't brought fans to a local derby at Redcar for years. The extra 300 we've put on our average attendance this year will be what keeps us going, don't worry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Marshall07 said: Newcastle haven't brought fans to a local derby at Redcar for years. The extra 300 we've put on our average attendance this year will be what keeps us going, don't worry! Your reply is what's wrong with British speedway. It's all about self interest. So what if Eastbourne, Birmingham and Newcastle close, as long as Redcar are all right. In the end you won't have hardly any opponents left to race against. The sport is in a perilous position, all clubs and fans need to stick together and put their petty rivalries aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toto Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Deano said: Interesting. Let’s hope a Just Giving page doesn’t appear with Redcars name on it at some point. With no local derby where’s your cash cow coming from ive said it before, anyone who supports last night Shenanigans really needs a hard look at how not to bite the hand that feeds them. No need our crowds are way up unlike Brum .As I said who has the bad mangerment ? Brum have to beg people to come and watch them on a track that is now like a moto cross circuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toto Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Your reply is what's wrong with British speedway. It's all about self interest. So what if Eastbourne, Birmingham and Newcastle close, as long as Redcar are all right. In the end you won't have hardly any opponents left to race against. The sport is in a perilous position, all clubs and fans need to stick together and put their petty rivalries aside. Correct.The point is when you a run speedway club as bad as Brum has been I dont think you should be calling out Redcar as having bad mangerment when they are bucking the trend when it comes to crowds.just plan stupid. Edited September 9, 2021 by Toto 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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