cityrebel Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Yearbyred said: You could be onto something. I’ve noticed Speedway riders turning left for years. I’m sick of the mainstream media advocating slick tracks too. #defundtheBSPA It's being debated in parliament today. I'm just hoping the deeper tracks brigade win the day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 Dont know why folks are wittering on about the track ? It was perfectly raceable no different to last week or the week before, the real issue was the win at all cost attitude of the Bears manager who no doubt will be finacially advantaged as they are confirmed for the play offs. Both Kerr and Wright were on track ready to go for ht5 until their manager pulled the plug, I do not believe the Bears riders refused to ride (Why were they on track ready to go) I do not blame the Bears riders who were just doing as told by their manager. Bears were losing and looked unlikly to win, in desperation their manager complained about the track. and got it graded to suit his riders. Does anyone really think they would have complained had they been in the lead. The action of the Bears management showed a total disregard for the paying public and inflicted for the 2nd time enormous damage on B'ham speedway but far worse they did huge damage to the image of British speedway and should be brought before a tribunal and charged with bringing British Speedway into disrepute, fined and points deducted. I should like to point out that riders are free to choose what risks they are prepared to take or otherwise, the answer is in their right hand (no jokes please) its called a Throttle and as Eric Boocock once said it works in both directions Also, riders are always complaining about track conditions, when dont they??? especially after a poor performance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 31 minutes ago, Historian said: The action of the Bears management showed a total disregard for the paying public and inflicted for the 2nd time enormous damage on B'ham speedway but far worse they did huge damage to the image of British speedway and should be brought before a tribunal and charged with bringing British Speedway into disrepute, fined and points deducted. Yes it’s Redcar who are damaging the image of British Speedway. Utter tosh (apparently I can’t say bollocks) If Birmingham are so convinced they have been wronged they would be putting in a formal protest rather than saying on their website “It just wasn’t going our way, but we’ve got to forget today now, start again and go to Edinburgh and get a win in the KO Cup” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Yearbyred said: Yes it’s Redcar who are damaging the image of British Speedway. Utter tosh (apparently I can’t say bollocks) If Birmingham are so convinced they have been wronged they would be putting in a formal protest rather than saying on their website “It just wasn’t going our way, but we’ve got to forget today now, start again and go to Edinburgh and get a win in the KO Cup” You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to be rude, No you cant say bol******s but at least you spelt it right I said they damaged speedways image in this instance not in general I dont speak for B'ham Speedway Edited September 9, 2021 by Historian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 The problem nowadays of course is that it simply isnt worthwhile taking any undue risks as a rider as they will lose out on lots or rides for their two teams over here and, for some, the team they ride for in their own country and possibly Poland.. One injury equates to up to four teams impacted... One bad race over here in either division where three or four heat leaders riders get injured and both leagues would struggle to fill their positions.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 Laurence Rogers sums it it up for me,he says there was little wrong with the track,a few bumps and bits but nothing the experienced riders should find troublesome.REALLY ,tell that to Stewart,Neilsen and Grobulaur and the fans standing around while the are carted off to hospital.No wonder the sport if failing in Birmingham. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandking072 Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Laurence Rogers sums it it up for me,he says there was little wrong with the track,a few bumps and bits but nothing the experienced riders should find troublesome.REALLY ,tell that to Stewart,Neilsen and Grobulaur and the fans standing around while the are carted off to hospital.No wonder the sport if failing in Birmingham. Amazed that Laurence Rogers still gets a gig in speedway. How many clubs has he been involved with now? And how many have been successful? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Historian said: Dont know why folks are wittering on about the track ? It was perfectly raceable no different to last week or the week before, the real issue was the win at all cost attitude of the Bears manager who no doubt will be finacially advantaged as they are confirmed for the play offs. Both Kerr and Wright were on track ready to go for ht5 until their manager pulled the plug, I do not believe the Bears riders refused to ride (Why were they on track ready to go) I do not blame the Bears riders who were just doing as told by their manager. Bears were losing and looked unlikly to win, in desperation their manager complained about the track. and got it graded to suit his riders. Does anyone really think they would have complained had they been in the lead. The action of the Bears management showed a total disregard for the paying public and inflicted for the 2nd time enormous damage on B'ham speedway but far worse they did huge damage to the image of British speedway and should be brought before a tribunal and charged with bringing British Speedway into disrepute, fined and points deducted. I should like to point out that riders are free to choose what risks they are prepared to take or otherwise, the answer is in their right hand (no jokes please) its called a Throttle and as Eric Boocock once said it works in both directions Also, riders are always complaining about track conditions, when dont they??? especially after a poor performance. Whatever you think you believe, maybe have a read of this posted by MPT earlier this morning. "It should have been 3rd time lucky was far from it. 3 times we have been to Birmingham and seen how track surface is far from race able. All the crap about tactics from bears side is absolutely not true! I came in after my first ride and said i refuse to ride on a dangerous track like that! They then bladed the track and yes it did make it a little bit better but far from race able. This should not keep going on at any track. Its unacceptable! We turn up with immaculate bikes and are expected to present ourselves professionally to then turn up to a track thats far from ideal. And then have an ex rider as a promoter saying we should just get on with it and hes rode worse. Its the sport there is suffering from bad promoting and publicity and an absolute farse of a track is definitely not helping or encouraging people to come and watch! A real shame as it can be an absolute great track with plenty of passing when prepared properly!" 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Yearbyred said: Yes it’s Redcar who are damaging the image of British Speedway. Utter tosh (apparently I can’t say bollocks) If Birmingham are so convinced they have been wronged they would be putting in a formal protest rather than saying on their website “It just wasn’t going our way, but we’ve got to forget today now, start again and go to Edinburgh and get a win in the KO Cup” Redcar just lucky they didn’t get their match cancelled at a few days notice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebaker Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Endeavour said: Redcar just lucky they didn’t get their match cancelled at a few days notice. They did. As the Brummies did not want to be up against the Euros. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Hewitt Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 Jeez…….are we still banging on about this. My dads bigger than yours etc. Grow up. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 Just now, Steve Hewitt said: Jeez…….are we still banging on about this. My dads bigger than yours etc. Grow up. To be fair Steve, I know your Dad and my dad was bigger! 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry The Cat Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Laurence Rogers sums it it up for me,he says there was little wrong with the track,a few bumps and bits but nothing the experienced riders should find troublesome.REALLY ,tell that to Stewart,Neilsen and Grobulaur and the fans standing around while the are carted off to hospital.No wonder the sport if failing in Birmingham. Rogers is a buffoon as Sandking says it’s hard to believe clubs continue to give him a prime role! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bororedlion Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Laurence Rogers sums it it up for me,he says there was little wrong with the track,a few bumps and bits but nothing the experienced riders should find troublesome.REALLY ,tell that to Stewart,Neilsen and Grobulaur and the fans standing around while the are carted off to hospital.No wonder the sport if failing in Birmingham. He's not the one having to ride it ! He should "Go Fund himself " Going on what some people say does this mean going forward they should be no such thing as rain offs as the riders should ride regardless of the track conditions and risks involved ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berry9 Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 I was at Birmingham last night and it's obvious what's wrong, they are tenants on a dog track and the promotion has negotiated a ridiculous deal. My son bought 2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps (I know, I know) and it cost £10.50 with all of the proceeds going to the track the food prices are also ridiculous £5,50 for pie and mash or balti and rice with all the proceeds going to the track and they don't even sell chips. The speedway promotion is losing out massively on income streams that clubs like Redcar and Scunthorpe enjoy and as such they start each and every season with a financial disadvantage compared to their competitors. I know Redcar were the perpetual holders of the wooden spoon but since Ben and Co took the reigns the clubs fortunes have been turned around and I honestly believe every Bears fan owes them a debt of gratitude. The club now enjoys multiple revinue streams with sponsors galore and have just launched Bears TV to add another and none of these benefits can be enjoyed by tenants held to ransome by stadium owners who fail to understand that speedway is a working class sport and fans at successful clubs can get admission, parking a programme a 50/50 ticket curry and chips and a can of pop for £25 and the clubs take all the profits 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Deano said: Interesting. Let’s hope a Just Giving page doesn’t appear with Redcars name on it at some point. With no local derby where’s your cash cow coming from ive said it before, anyone who supports last night Shenanigans really needs a hard look at how not to bite the hand that feeds them. Redcars ‘ cash cow ‘ is the fact that the club is run correctly and puts its track top of its priorities, hence a large crowd every week. Perhaps someone at Birmingham might like to take note. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 8 hours ago, cityrebel said: Your reply is what's wrong with British speedway. It's all about self interest. So what if Eastbourne, Birmingham and Newcastle close, as long as Redcar are all right. In the end you won't have hardly any opponents left to race against. The sport is in a perilous position, all clubs and fans need to stick together and put their petty rivalries aside. and ignore dangerous tracks ? as that is all this boils down too……lack of proper track preparation . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Deano said: Fair comment, but it’s a very short term view. Redcar have come close to folding under previous promotion/s. I’ve been around this sport for a good 40 years and seen speedway on many different circuits. Many far worse than last night, many where riders can’t turn or even slide too well. But they’ve got on with it. Only time Redcar came close was under Taylor as he didn’t pay the bills, still had a crowd and a good track. Havelock may have seen the team as regular wooden spoonists but it was never close to closing as he ran it within its budget, unlike many these days it seems. Redcar have thrived since he left with new management and a more positive attitude since 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Historian said: Dont know why folks are wittering on about the track ? It was perfectly raceable no different to last week or the week before, the real issue was the win at all cost attitude of the Bears manager who no doubt will be finacially advantaged as they are confirmed for the play offs. Both Kerr and Wright were on track ready to go for ht5 until their manager pulled the plug, I do not believe the Bears riders refused to ride (Why were they on track ready to go) I do not blame the Bears riders who were just doing as told by their manager. Bears were losing and looked unlikly to win, in desperation their manager complained about the track. and got it graded to suit his riders. Does anyone really think they would have complained had they been in the lead. The action of the Bears management showed a total disregard for the paying public and inflicted for the 2nd time enormous damage on B'ham speedway but far worse they did huge damage to the image of British speedway and should be brought before a tribunal and charged with bringing British Speedway into disrepute, fined and points deducted. I should like to point out that riders are free to choose what risks they are prepared to take or otherwise, the answer is in their right hand (no jokes please) its called a Throttle and as Eric Boocock once said it works in both directions Also, riders are always complaining about track conditions, when dont they??? especially after a poor performance. So the referee ( s) stopped the meeting on the say so of one team manager ?…..really ? and then the ref (s) told the track curator exactly how to prepare the track to Redcars advantage ? Next you will be saying man didn’t land on the moon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted September 9, 2021 Report Share Posted September 9, 2021 20 hours ago, Deano said: We’re you there tonight? Redcar wanted it dusty, not damp and grippy. Yes and have been to Redcar too. I also noted that on each occasion Redcars track was deep and well watered, never seen dust there so I believe you are quite wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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