Noodles Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Neila said: Plus the owner of Tottenham will want some money back to cover stadium build costs, and to showcase the stadium moving forward for more events. Fingers crossed for speedway in a new stadium, plus hotels in London won't rip people off as much as in Cardiff Yes because hotels in London are notoriously cheap aren't they? Does the spurs stadium have a roof? Edited August 31, 2021 by Noodles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Noodles said: Yes because hotels in London are notoriously cheap aren't they? Does the spurs stadium have a roof? No- fans are in the dry however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 It amazes me that Cardiff has averaged around 40,000 from 2001 to 2019 and yet its popularity is being questioned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 19 hours ago, PirateShip said: Kelvin Tatum was given a guided tour by the head groundsman and yep he is a speedway fan. The video is on YouTube. Thank you for reminding me. Of course we know it takes a lot more than the head groundsman being a speedway fan to getting a GP there, but a foot in the door is better than having it shut in your face. The stadium can easily be converted for any event as the pitch is stored in an underground car park behind the stands. Now that would be an amazing stadium to have a GP in, yes the show would truly be a spectacular event. Bring it on! Maybe my Tottenham season ticket holder son would take me as a 75th. Birthday present. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted August 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, RPNY said: It amazes me that Cardiff has averaged around 40,000 from 2001 to 2019 and yet its popularity is being questioned. Sometimes despite something's popularity it's still worth looking at other options to move it forward. Speedway itself was popular at one time but other options have not been explored to keep it that way. 40000 at Cardiff,? I inderstand officially it to be nearer 30,000 - 35,000 , but anyways why not go for 60000 by relocating??? I enjoy Cardiff but I'm sure a lot more people will be attracted by the sights and sounds of London when attending. That's where speedway promoter's fail, they are happy to get a break even figure instead of aiming for double or more. Edited August 31, 2021 by PirateShip 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 I think the BSPA fail on many fronts however as a total package I struggle to see how they can upgrade from Cardiff. Wembley? Too big. Spurs, not a great area, nothing to do round the stadium. And of course neither of those have a roof. Olympic stadium possibly. I believe the roof would cover the track and at least theres the mall, bars n restaurants near. On the whole Cardiff ticks most boxes tho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, RPNY said: I think the BSPA fail on many fronts however as a total package I struggle to see how they can upgrade from Cardiff. Wembley? Too big. Spurs, not a great area, nothing to do round the stadium. And of course neither of those have a roof. Olympic stadium possibly. I believe the roof would cover the track and at least theres the mall, bars n restaurants near. On the whole Cardiff ticks most boxes tho Bspa have nothing to do with the GP it's now discovery who own Eurosport and other channels who now run the GP's, previously it was bsi part of a big sports promotion group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 11 hours ago, Noodles said: Yes because hotels in London are notoriously cheap aren't they? Does the spurs stadium have a roof? Would think of all the hotels in and around London will be lots cheaper than the few hotels in Cardiff,. Only 2 GP stadiums have a full roof. Cardiff and Warsaw so what does it matter !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted September 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Neila said: Would think of all the hotels in and around London will be lots cheaper than the few hotels in Cardiff,. Only 2 GP stadiums have a full roof. Cardiff and Warsaw so what does it matter !! Exactly, what is all the banging on about a roof for? Obviously it can save a meeting being from rained off but if BSI & now Discovery went everywhere demanding a roof then they wouldn't get very far in staging a GP in a posh stadium. Could always stage a GP on centre court at Wimbledon I guess?! And no it wasn't my brainy idea to have the SON at Belle Vue in October, but you know something there will still be a full house there including me! Edited September 1, 2021 by PirateShip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Neila said: Would think of all the hotels in and around London will be lots cheaper than the few hotels in Cardiff,. Only 2 GP stadiums have a full roof. Cardiff and Warsaw so what does it matter !! So hiring and installing a track in London costs the same as hiring the likes of Mallila, Vojens etc.? I think the costs involved matters to the organisers, who would want some assurances that the event will go ahead whatever the weather. It also gives assurances to travelling fans, particularly those travelling from abroad. Edited September 1, 2021 by Noodles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 hours ago, PirateShip said: Exactly, what is all the banging on about a roof for? Obviously it can save a meeting being from rained off but if BSI & now Discovery went everywhere demanding a roof then they wouldn't get very far in staging a GP in a posh stadium. Could always stage a GP on centre court at Wimbledon I guess?! And no it wasn't my brainy idea to have the SON at Belle Vue in October, but you know something there will still be a full house there including me! A full house of 4000 is hardly impressive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Noodles said: A full house of 4000 is hardly impressive. Just hope it's not gonna be like the Belgian F1 GP all standing/sitting in the wet and cold October evening in Manchester But I will be one of them . Ps not many standard speedway stadiums would have a capacity of more than 4000,that will take on water !! and fairly central for most speedway fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted September 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Noodles said: A full house of 4000 is hardly impressive. It's usually far better having a FULL stadium even if the capacity is far lower as it will be for the SON in terms of creating an atmosphere. The atmosphere will be as good if not better than holding a meeting at a stadium that isn't half full!!!!! If the circa 40,000 at Cardiff was held in a stadium with a capacity of 40,000 then the atmosphere would far surpass Cardiff. Don't get me wrong the atmosphere at Cardiff is amazing but just imagine how much better it would be if the attendance met capacity. Smaller capacity for SON who cares? Atmosphere is more important! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 10:07 AM, Neila said: Plus the owner of Tottenham will want some money back to cover stadium build costs, and to showcase the stadium moving forward for more events. Fingers crossed for speedway in a new stadium, plus hotels in London won't rip people off as much as in Cardiff Is that a fact, or just what you might imagine will happen. Are you saying hotel prices in London, Manchester, Sheffield, Glasgow, Newcastle etc do not go up when there is a “big act” in town. Of course they do, it happens every where all the time, and not just in the UK. I understand the Welsh government pays BSI handsomely to take the GP to Cardiff. If that would be the same in any new agreement, and the offer as a whole is better then anywhere else I would think Cardiff is the place. Having said that, put the temporary stand up on bend 3/4 at NSS and get 9000 in, stream the event at £20 and get 30000-40000 round the world paying to watch and it’s made money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted September 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 A 2 day GP at the NSS would easily sell out and the atmosphere would be Bonkers. 2 day events could be the future, can't see that working at Cardiff as I believe the attendance would drop dramatically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 52 minutes ago, PirateShip said: A 2 day GP at the NSS would easily sell out and the atmosphere would be Bonkers. 2 day events could be the future, can't see that working at Cardiff as I believe the attendance would drop dramatically. So 8,000 fans in a stadium open to the elements over two nights is more appealing than 40,000 on one night? I don't think so. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 As much as I prefer the track at Belle vue , the facilities and limited attendance available would be a non starter, yes although the Hotels at Cardiff can be expensive (!) and the journey down from darkest Cumbria is not ideal wether driving or via train , I still prefer Cardiff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 Cardiff has all you could want, city centre location with all the bars and restaurants, hotels if you want one, and a roof to guarantee no rain off I don't know anywhere else that has these facilities If a GP in Britain is on the schedule, then i would imagine it will go back to 1 GP per weekend and not two 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 Will the Welsh government put money into the GP again, how instrumental was that at keeping the GP in Cardiff? Did they get Cardiff for free or was it through a grant? Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) It annoys me greatly that Poland get so many GPs (even before Covid) and we get 1. They would easily sell out a Manchester GP in either May/Sep while still getting good numbers for Cardiff in July. Edited September 1, 2021 by RPNY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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