Young Brits are thing’s looking more hopeful for the future.?

[Bagpuss]

1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

Agree most with ambition will roll the dice.How many make it will be interesting,it’s very cut throat  for Team places over there and you will be binned pretty quickly if you are not producing the goods.Good riders have failed in the past.

Absomutemy but may not be quite the same with an U24 league, may be a bit more leeway given. I think its s must though if our lads was want to fulfill their potential.

[Fromafar]

2 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said:

To be honest the poles are just making the most of the fact they have a product that the general public & big business alike want to be part of & they have the TV baking to make it work.

Let's be honest British had the same opportunity in the 70s & 80s & again in the early 2000s with the sky input but did absolutely nothing with those opportunities.

Don't blame the poles hats off to them for knowing how to run speedway in a professional manner

Completely agree with you.But must admit I have never seen the TV Baking.Interesting what Channel is that on 

Edited August 21, 2021 by Fromafar

[Daniel Smith]

44 minutes ago, topsoil said:

Time will tell. It's certainly going to do a lot of damage to other leagues in my opinion.

I thought the point of a youth policy was to supply yourself with riders. Where's the benefit to teams if riders disappear. British clubs incur the costs, Polish clubs get the benefits. Seems fair.

You need to point the finger at the BSPA. They've created the problems. It would be absolutely crazy of our youngsters not to give Poland a go. It will leave us way behind if we don't join in & push themselves against the best of their age group regularly. 

 

Maybe British Speedway should market itself as the Golden Oldies League. 

Over 35's only

Edited August 21, 2021 by Daniel Smith

[M.D]

The best of the young British talent are already tied up with Polish clubs, Kemp, Rowe and Brennan already have a team in Poland..

For me, after Bewley, Tom Brennan looks like he will break through to Poland

[phillwhitewasmad]

21 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

 

Exactly this. We've had so many 'talented youngsters' over recent years but none have ever cut it. Lambert has only got to where he is because of his early start in Germany. Bewley has done well, mostly because he's beside Woffy. He'd of been binned of by Wroclaw had he not borrowed some of Woffy's equipment. 

Apart from these 2, whose done any good? The last 2 Brit's of any substance on the continent has been Nicholls & Richardson. 

I'm hoping Ellis can kick on next year but really needs to drop the Championship & push for Poland & Sweden full time being 25.

We've got to be real. Our rider's have no big future as the sport in this country is on it's backside & there's no real climb for them. Doesn't matter how hard the likes of Vatcher works, our kids need to be away from uk racing to have a real career. 

Neil Vatcher knows this and is constantly looking for opportunities for his young lads to race abroad. We should of been in Denmark today and tomorrow but was cancelled at late notice and there are chances to go to Germany Czech and Poland before season ends . All the parents of the juniors know where we need to go and if your prepared for it it's all there for you 

[phillwhitewasmad]

10 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

Firstly, it won't wipe out Speedway, didn’t happen when the UK was once the dominant force. It's the promoter's here that are doing their own unreversable damage. 

Our young rider's disappearing to Poland to try & make a name for themselves is exactly the point of a youth policy. We need superstars, bringing riders through to roll around in British Speedway does absolutely nothing for them. 

Saying all that, I don't think this program is aimed at young Brits. I'd imagine they'll pick out the better chances from Sweden, Denmark & Germany imo. These kids are better race ready at 15-16 than Brit's. 

Having recently witnessed the German and Swedish 250 riders personally think we're in a much better position than them . The danish and polish lads are slightly in front not necessarily on ability but definitely on setups of bikes

 

[stevehone]

U21 team final (SoN/pairs) is at Bydgoszcz in september, that'll be good for them

Edited August 21, 2021 by stevehone

[Chadster]

I've seen Rowe, Brennan and Palin at Owlerton this season and been impressed by them. Flint has done well at Berwick and has had some moments for Wolves. I've not seen Kemp ride but he seems up and down, part and parcel of being a young rider, I suppose. I'd agree that these boys need to be riding more on the continent and, I think, there have been some positive developments in that respect in recent years. Riding in Poland would be good, but you don't get many meetings there and, at their age, these lads need to be riding as much as possible, so they ought to continue riding in the UK, where we generally ride more often.

Maybe one of the things the BSPL could do is organise reciprocal test series against, say Sweden or Denmark, perhaps to be staged early in the season, with the proviso that youngsters get selected rather than old-timers like Harris or Nicholls, for example.

[Gemini]

13 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Completely agree with you.But must admit I have never seen the TV Baking.Interesting what Channel is that on 

Just about every channel.  Personally I was more interested in the word "Absomutemy" by Bagpuss and when I find out what it means I am definitely going to use it.

[mikebv]

Carl Fogarty became the several time WSB Champ and (via Sky), became a truly household name that transcended into mainstream sporting coverage..

The BSB didnt mourn the fact that Carl no longer was a frequent visitor to their races, but instead ploughed their own furrow and ensured that their version of exactly the same sport continued and even flourished.. 

And over the years, many have cut their teeth at BSB level before moving 'upwards' into the WSB domain..

With the BSB accepting this is the path so many will follow until they fall off that 'World Level' and will then possibly drop back into their competitions as they get older, thus actually adding interest to what they put out.. 

In short the BSB, "know their place" and dont pretend to be something that they are not, and build their business (very successfully) without "World Stars" but with many "Very Good" bike riders..

If some UK lads go to Poland and subsequently flourish at "World Level" then fair play, as any mainstream publicity that GB success gets in this country can only be good for the domestic sport to feed off the back of..

Just like it did in the 70's..

[IainB]

12 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

Neil Vatcher knows this and is constantly looking for opportunities for his young lads to race abroad. We should of been in Denmark today and tomorrow but was cancelled at late notice and there are chances to go to Germany Czech and Poland before season ends . All the parents of the juniors know where we need to go and if your prepared for it it's all there for you 

 

12 hours ago, Chadster said:

I'd agree that these boys need to be riding more on the continent and, I think, there have been some positive developments in that respect in recent years. Riding in Poland would be good, but you don't get many meetings there and, at their age, these lads need to be riding as much as possible, so they ought to continue riding in the UK, where we generally ride more often.

Maybe one of the things the BSPL could do is organise reciprocal test series against, say Sweden or Denmark, perhaps to be staged early in the season, with the proviso that youngsters get selected rather than old-timers like Harris or Nicholls, for example.

Absomutemy (for @Gemini), as good as it is that our boys are riding abroad I do think we're neglecting the home market. The GB Speedway team generally brings out the fans and attracts a crowd but I couldn't tell you the last time I saw them ride in the country outside of an FIM event. Also as good as the kids are when they're riding abroad it would be good for them to ride at home and hopefully get some wins on the board because, understandably, they rarely come first when riding abroad.

6 hours ago, mikebv said:

With the BSB accepting this is the path so many will follow until they fall off that 'World Level' and will then possibly drop back into their competitions as they get older, thus actually adding interest to what they put out.. 

Which is exactly what it used to be like in the old National League here in the UK, Dave Jessup going to Mildenhall, Gordon Kennett at Eastbourne etc. etc. It was actually a crowd puller for these clubs... it was exclusivity

[GWC]

Football Cricket Rugby Golf and more have academies of excellence where future stars are made. Leaving it to league experience isn’t going to work for the majority. Occasionally a gem like Bewley comes along but if we want to produce more then a set up like at Belle Vue needs to be established for riders to train and learn.

Its the nearest track to high speed Polish tracks and that’s the benchmark we need to aim for.

Sweden are in free fall and have very few young riders - similarly Denmark are not producing the top class rider any longer for some reason.

Poland want to dominate but when the U.K. had its place at the top (70’s) we tried to bring other countries along with us - Poland being an example where their standard of rider at that time was similar to where we are now.

We encouraged the USA and Danes to come to the U.K. and they profited greatly - do Poland now want to do the same?

[orion]

You wonder even if they do well what the point is .. You seen what Woffy and Lambert have done ... never ride in our league again and cant even be arse to ride in there own National Final .

Bar doing well in the World cup -league of nations we get nothing back unless are league bucks up so these riders want to ride here 

[Daniel Smith]

I'm glad @phillwhitewasmad & @GWC find it funny our youngsters don't have a future at the top of the sport.

 

Let's just enjoy our kids rattle around UK Speedway, sod trying to be the best you can be

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sidney the robin]

2 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said:

I'm glad @phillwhitewasmad & @GWC find it funny our youngsters don't have a future at the top of the sport.

 

Let's just enjoy our kids rattle around UK Speedway, sod trying to be the best you can be

 

 

I don’t particularly  care about international events Daniel , my take on things is that i want our leagues to survive.Meaning the likes of Brennan, Palin, Flint ( ect) are  our future number 1s for our league clubs. In years gone by if you were good anough you will get on but as an example even if you had a chance of doing well in Poland you need the overall package.( ie) good aquipment, a great team which costs money. I don’t care who becomes world class not bothered about the GPS at all , and any youngster who gets there will have to be good anough and the cream always comes through.For these young lads our leagues are a great stepping stone but only push on and commit if you have the right backing and financial clout behind you to give you every chance.How many young lads of ours know they can compete ? but in the back of there mind know they maybe have not got the full package in place yet.

 

 

 

 

[phillwhitewasmad]

2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

I'm glad @phillwhitewasmad & @GWC find it funny our youngsters don't have a future at the top of the sport.

 

Let's just enjoy our kids rattle around UK Speedway, sod trying to be the best you can be

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was more laughing at the point you think anders Rowe is the only one with any hope . Even though he is a decent rider palin flint and several others will go further 

[Daniel Smith]

39 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

I was more laughing at the point you think anders Rowe is the only one with any hope . Even though he is a decent rider palin flint and several others will go further 

All about opinion but he's the best of the crop right now for me. The only one to refuse a 'Rising Star' spot prefering to go into the main team. Achieving nearly a 5.50 ave in a crap Ipswich side. 

I appreciate his attitude to try a tougher route than take the easy option. 

[Sidney the robin]

1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said:

All about opinion but he's the best of the crop right now for me. The only one to refuse a 'Rising Star' spot prefering to go into the main team. Achieving nearly a 5.50 ave in a crap Ipswich side. 

I appreciate his attitude to try a tougher route than take the easy option. 

Nothing is an easy option  Daniel, there is a bigger picture MONEY  it all about individual circumstances. Rowe i watched him do his mini track rides and  was chuffed to bits when he made his full debut for the Robins he has made real progress others  as Phillwhitewasmad said have also done well 

[GWC]

4 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

I was more laughing at the point you think anders Rowe is the only one with any hope . Even though he is a decent rider palin flint and several others will go further 

Me too !

[Pinny]

I remember the likes of Stead, Howe, Neath, Brady, Appleton, Allen to name a few being much more competitive in a stronger second tier and all having much more ability than the current crop and how many of them went on to be better than at best a good second string in the top tier? 
 

Thats not a dig at any of them either before anyone starts. Just what people expected of them . Then you have Kennett and Bridger too. 
 

I actually agree with Daniel Smith… our future on the world stage looks very bleak.