RIP British Speedway

[Fortythirtyeight]

25 minutes ago, ch958 said:

but there is a way forward even if teams include so called lesser riders. Looking at the scores in the first season of the BL for every Boocock and Briggs there were loads of second strings and reserves who never climbed any further and they weren't slung out of the team at the drop of a hat. 

http://edinburghspeedway.blogspot.com/2014/03/british-league-averages-1965.html

look towards the bottom of the list, loads of riders below 3.00 riding quite a few fixtures for their teams.

Also see how many teams used only 1 guest all season.

Guess the pointless 'bust a gut' to win everything wasn't there

Whilst I agree with your content , you have to bare in mind modern society’s change in attitudes. In yesteryear, when riders stayed at clubs for quite a while, they got a following, a fan club and a bit of loyalty all round . That’s not the modern way. Mediocre teams get mediocre crowds, poor teams get poor crowds. You should remember the Havelock senior days at Redcar , poor team , poor crowd, club only kept afloat by generous pensioners. Whilst it may look like ‘ win at all costs ‘ it’s more, be seen to try to be successful or go under !

[Trees]

2 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Whilst I agree with your content , you have to bare in mind modern society’s change in attitudes. In yesteryear, when riders stayed at clubs for quite a while, they got a following, a fan club and a bit of loyalty all round . That’s not the modern way. Mediocre teams get mediocre crowds, poor teams get poor crowds. You should remember the Havelock senior days at Redcar , poor team , poor crowd, club only kept afloat by generous pensioners. Whilst it may look like ‘ win at all costs ‘ it’s more, be seen to try to be successful or go under !

But it is the modern way on the whole, there are loads of riders who have remained at a club for a few years!  

[ch958]

2 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Whilst I agree with your content , you have to bare in mind modern society’s change in attitudes. In yesteryear, when riders stayed at clubs for quite a while, they got a following, a fan club and a bit of loyalty all round . That’s not the modern way. Mediocre teams get mediocre crowds, poor teams get poor crowds. You should remember the Havelock senior days at Redcar , poor team , poor crowd, club only kept afloat by generous pensioners. Whilst it may look like ‘ win at all costs ‘ it’s more, be seen to try to be successful or go under !

i agree there has been a change in attitude, I can't argue. I think Havelock's reign was also to do with a crap track prep and animosity towards him personally as he i sa prickly customer - ask TWK. Cradley were whipping boys for years but the track survived

[Fortythirtyeight]

4 hours ago, Trees said:

But it is the modern way on the whole, there are loads of riders who have remained at a club for a few years!  

I await your detailed list, shall we put a cut off on it if riders who have been at the same club for 4 seasons or more ?

Edited August 22, 2021 by Fortythirtyeight

[kevin bass]

33 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

I await your detailed list, shall we put a cut off on it if riders who have been at the same club for 4 seasons or more ?

Danny King has done a lot more then 4 seasons for Ipswich, after that it's a struggle, Rory Schlien might be on his 4th year at Wolves.

[LisaColette]

30 minutes ago, kevin bass said:

Danny King has done a lot more then 4 seasons for Ipswich, after that it's a struggle, Rory Schlien might be on his 4th year at Wolves.

Steve Worrall has been at BV for a fair while too. 

[IainB]

Josh Auty has been at Scunny for 10 years and is holding a testimonial next year even though it should have been last year and even though he has been binned off by Scunny this year!

Edited August 22, 2021 by iainb

[Flappy]

Ostergaard Peterborough

[TINYS]

On 8/20/2021 at 11:18 PM, Bald Bloke said:

How can he.He is about 63

Exactly

[Trees]

Thomas Jorgensen since 2018, Erik Riss since 2018, Lewis Kerr since 2010 with 2 years out, Robert Lambert with Lynn 2004-2019, Wolves: Rory Schlein, Kyle Howarth and Sam Masters, Belle Vue ...... there are loads basically, can't be arsed to double check any more ......

[frigbo]

Not quite comparing apples with apples here though.....

 

Schlein for example has ridden for 4 other clubs in the 4 seasons he's been at Wolves!

[shippy22]

Danny Gappmaier has been with Berwick since 2016, and never ridden for anyone else.   There used to be a lot of riders who only rode for one team, sadly not the case nowadays

 

[szkocjasid]

24 minutes ago, shippy22 said:

Danny Gappmaier has been with Berwick since 2016, and never ridden for anyone else.   There used to be a lot of riders who only rode for one team, sadly not the case nowadays

 

Gappmaier had a very short spell doubling up with Swindon in 2017!

Edited August 24, 2021 by szkocjasid

[orion]

6 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Gappmaier had a very short spell doubling up with Swindon in 2017!

Short is a understatement 

[kevin bass]

9 hours ago, shippy22 said:

Danny Gappmaier has been with Berwick since 2016, and never ridden for anyone else.   There used to be a lot of riders who only rode for one team, sadly not the case nowadays

 

Back in the day yeah riders rode for one team year after year, and a small minority still do now, the question was riders who ride for the same team for 4 yrs or more, it wasn't mentioned it doesn't count if they double up or not, the isn't many riders in the so called top league or don't double up year on year nowadays.

[old bob at herne bay]

The title of this thread becomes ever more relevant as the 2021 season draws to a close.

We have 6 clubs in the Premier League left standing. Of those 6 :-

• Wolves have announced they will not  run unless there are more than 6 clubs next year
• P/boro have huge question marks over the Showground development ... although this has been ongoing for years.
• Kings Lynn have a reluctant speedway promoter who would rather run Stock Cars only.

No sign of new victims to commit to the PL in 2022. Will Wolves pull out ?

We have 9 clubs in the Championship League left standing  ( Kent and Birmingham both without promoters) Of those 9 :-

• Newcastle seem to have effected a rescue package for 2022 ?
• Poole's landlords seem reluctant for speedway to continue running at Wimborne Road

On the bright side :-

• Oxford may be ready to join in 2022
• Eastbourne may rejoin in 2023

We have  5 clubs in the National Development League left standing

Of those 5:-

one standalone club Mildenhall will surely struggle to run a meaningful fixture list in a league of 5 teams. (The other 4 teams run the NDL as filler fixtures.)

 

A pretty appalling situation for the BSPL to sort out. Are they up to the task of sorting out this mess ?  I hope the weather is good wherever they choose to hold their jolly.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2021 by old bob at herne bay

[TINYS]

42 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said:

The title of this thread becomes ever more relevant as the 2021 season draws to a close.

We have 6 clubs in the Premier League left standing. Of those 6 :-

• Wolves have announced they will not  run unless there are more than 6 clubs next year
• P/boro have huge question marks over the Showground development ... although this has been ongoing for years.
• Kings Lynn have a reluctant speedway promoter who would rather run Stock Cars only.

No sign of new victims to commit to the PL in 2022. Will Wolves pull out ?

We have 9 clubs in the Championship League left standing  ( Kent and Birmingham both without promoters) Of those 9 :-

• Newcastle seem to have effected a rescue package for 2022 ?
• Poole's landlords seem reluctant for speedway to continue running at Wimborne Road

On the bright side :-

• Oxford may be ready to join in 2022
• Eastbourne may rejoin in 2023

We have  5 clubs in the National Development League left standing

Of those 5:-

one standalone club Mildenhall will surely struggle to run a meaningful fixture list in a league of 5 teams. (The other 4 teams run the NDL as filler fixtures.)

 

A pretty appalling situation for the BSPL to sort out. Are they up to the task of sorting out this mess ?  I hope the weather is good wherever they choose to hold their jolly.

 

 

It;s not looking good is it.

[IainB]

1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said:

The title of this thread becomes ever more relevant as the 2021 season draws to a close.

We have 6 clubs in the Premier League left standing. Of those 6 :-

• Wolves have announced they will not  run unless there are more than 6 clubs next year
• P/boro have huge question marks over the Showground development ... although this has been ongoing for years.
• Kings Lynn have a reluctant speedway promoter who would rather run Stock Cars only.

No sign of new victims to commit to the PL in 2022. Will Wolves pull out ?

We have 9 clubs in the Championship League left standing  ( Kent and Birmingham both without promoters) Of those 9 :-

• Newcastle seem to have effected a rescue package for 2022 ?
• Poole's landlords seem reluctant for speedway to continue running at Wimborne Road

On the bright side :-

• Oxford may be ready to join in 2022
• Eastbourne may rejoin in 2023

We have  5 clubs in the National Development League left standing

Of those 5:-

one standalone club Mildenhall will surely struggle to run a meaningful fixture list in a league of 5 teams. (The other 4 teams run the NDL as filler fixtures.)

 

A pretty appalling situation for the BSPL to sort out. Are they up to the task of sorting out this mess ?  I hope the weather is good wherever they choose to hold their jolly.

 

 

Don't forget Peterborough are also up for sale along with KL... and who's going to buy that with the question marks over the EoEA

And are the Manchester United of Speedway (in the 2nd division) still up for sale?

[Falcon1983]

2 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said:

The title of this thread becomes ever more relevant as the 2021 season draws to a close.

We have 6 clubs in the Premier League left standing. Of those 6 :-

• Wolves have announced they will not  run unless there are more than 6 clubs next year
• P/boro have huge question marks over the Showground development ... although this has been ongoing for years.
• Kings Lynn have a reluctant speedway promoter who would rather run Stock Cars only.

No sign of new victims to commit to the PL in 2022. Will Wolves pull out ?

We have 9 clubs in the Championship League left standing  ( Kent and Birmingham both without promoters) Of those 9 :-

• Newcastle seem to have effected a rescue package for 2022 ?
• Poole's landlords seem reluctant for speedway to continue running at Wimborne Road

On the bright side :-

• Oxford may be ready to join in 2022
• Eastbourne may rejoin in 2023

We have  5 clubs in the National Development League left standing

Of those 5:-

one standalone club Mildenhall will surely struggle to run a meaningful fixture list in a league of 5 teams. (The other 4 teams run the NDL as filler fixtures.)

 

A pretty appalling situation for the BSPL to sort out. Are they up to the task of sorting out this mess ?  I hope the weather is good wherever they choose to hold their jolly.

 

 

You really need Oxford to come to the tapes and have an 8 team Top Flight and an 8+ team 2nd tier

nobody wants to move up, maybe that suggests the way the championship is the way forward.

Perhaps the top division should be a bit between prem/champ and the 2nd tier could be a bit between champ/ndl

 

[Fortythirtyeight]

4 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said:

You really need Oxford to come to the tapes and have an 8 team Top Flight and an 8+ team 2nd tier

nobody wants to move up, maybe that suggests the way the championship is the way forward.

Perhaps the top division should be a bit between prem/champ and the 2nd tier could be a bit between champ/ndl

 

8 teams only ? At best with meeting each club twice , which was voted out by the majority of clubs in 2017 AGM, add cup fixture or two and a challenge match means only 16-18 home fixtures and a four month season ? That would not be sustainable for most clubs in the championship.