R87 Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 If Coles was told what would happen then surely he can have no complaints. Not saying I agree with the BSPL stance, but rules are rules at the end of the day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 hours ago, geoff100 said: Good job ivan didnt think the same after 3 world titles ! Speedway now is completely different to when Ivan was riding. British Speedway was the place to ride back then but now as soon as a rider gets a sniff of riding in Poland with the monetary reward on offer who can blame them for staying over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 25 minutes ago, Rocket87 said: If Coles was told what would happen then surely he can have no complaints. Not saying I agree with the BSPL stance, but rules are rules at the end of the day I was kind of thinking the same thing, but it would be useful to hear from all sides involved here rather than just one before being able to form a proper opinion on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, Rocket87 said: If Coles was told what would happen then surely he can have no complaints. Not saying I agree with the BSPL stance, but rules are rules at the end of the day and if he was told it was ok only for a back track ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, Rocket87 said: If Coles was told what would happen then surely he can have no complaints. Not saying I agree with the BSPL stance, but rules are rules at the end of the day I think he can have a legitimate complaint because the reason for sanctions against anyone competing at IoW or another non-BSPA track are 'not in the interests of speedway' but about being in the cartel or not. It is not really much different to Poland restricting their riders competing in leagues overseas but the difference here is that it's all speedway in Britain and the promotion and benefit the IoW brings to that surely has to be recognised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Has it been officially announced anywhere that Coles is out due to riding at the IOW? If it is official, maybe Nigel and Kelvin will mention it tonight? ... After they tell us what starting system is being used obviously.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 In travelodge on Hyde Road, the sun is trying it's best to shine after earlier rain when I was eating luvvly junk food in KFC on Hyde Road All systems GO! C'mon the Pirates riders King, Worrall and ermmmm sorry Rory but Charles Wright is the defending champion. Unless I've missed something wasn't Rory claiming to be British last year, didn't want to be called Roo Boy etc, but now, in the Star, he says he won it as an Australian. Dunno gone are the days when Commonwealth riders were seen to be part of it........controversial?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Stewart Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 I’ve never given all that much consideration to all this stuff, but I certainly think that the BSPL first and foremost should be trying to keep as many tracks as possible operational. I was never particularly sympathetic to the IOW’s reasons for pulling out of the NDL but I don’t like them being ostracised. Every effort should also be made to get Buxton staging some kind of racing. It’s all a big problem to which I don’t have answers. I always thought it was wrong to let Birmingham and Eastbourne drop into the third tier of British Speedway but we can see what’s happened to them by trying to race in the second tier. One problem is that too many highly paid riders are allowed to ride in the second tier which should be set at a lower standard. But try telling that to fans at that level. Meanwhile, Connor Coles of all people suffers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 36 minutes ago, Al Stewart said: I’ve never given all that much consideration to all this stuff, but I certainly think that the BSPL first and foremost should be trying to keep as many tracks as possible operational. I was never particularly sympathetic to the IOW’s reasons for pulling out of the NDL but I don’t like them being ostracised. Every effort should also be made to get Buxton staging some kind of racing. It’s all a big problem to which I don’t have answers. I always thought it was wrong to let Birmingham and Eastbourne drop into the third tier of British Speedway but we can see what’s happened to them by trying to race in the second tier. One problem is that too many highly paid riders are allowed to ride in the second tier which should be set at a lower standard. But try telling that to fans at that level. Meanwhile, Connor Coles of all people suffers. The issue you have now though is that the more tracks you have the harder it would be to find enough riders.. The campaign to get Rye House back is laudable, and Buxton coming back could possibly work. Then you have Oxford and the strides being taken there to resurrect the sport.. Bottom line is, should all three come back, (and the IOW potentially too), where would those 28 riders needed come from? And as for the 2nd Tier? It's the same virtually as the top tier due to the riders needing to ride as much as they do, therefore you cant dilute the 2nd tier to make it cheaper for teams to run in that league as 90% of all riders have to compete (by necessity) in both top leagues.. Those who run the sport certainly like painting themselves into corners dont they?. How do they get out of it? Who knows... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Who would fund the expense of Buxton coming back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, SPEEDY69 said: I think he can have a legitimate complaint because the reason for sanctions against anyone competing at IoW or another non-BSPA track are 'not in the interests of speedway' but about being in the cartel or not. It is not really much different to Poland restricting their riders competing in leagues overseas but the difference here is that it's all speedway in Britain and the promotion and benefit the IoW brings to that surely has to be recognised. Surely the BSPL(A) don't "own" Speedway? What about the SCB or ACU, surely it would only them that can hand out bans? Who holds the riders licences? Do IOW run under the auspices of the SCB or ACU does anybody know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Thought this was the thread for the British Final 2021, the thread is being side tracked by recent posts, bit like one of Ronnie Corbett's stories! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddas69 Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 Which channel is broadcasting this, at what time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, mikebv said: The issue you have now though is that the more tracks you have the harder it would be to find enough riders............... Those who run the sport certainly like painting themselves into corners dont they?. How do they get out of it? Who knows... How about the riders riding under an alias in the other league: So for PL Wolves and the other CL teams: Sam Masters = Dan Plasters Broc Nicol = Don Pickle Rory Schlein = Rick Stein Luke Becker = Duke Pecker Nick Morris = Dick Wallace Ryan Douglas = Bryan Mugless Leon Flint = Don Skint. So team integrity and street credibility restored.... simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Maddas69 said: Which channel is broadcasting this, at what time? EuroSport2 from 7-15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 What a great bunch the BSPL are, lead by a great Chairman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 33 minutes ago, mikebv said: The issue you have now though is that the more tracks you have the harder it would be to find enough riders.. The campaign to get Rye House back is laudable, and Buxton coming back could possibly work. Then you have Oxford and the strides being taken there to resurrect the sport.. Bottom line is, should all three come back, (and the IOW potentially too), where would those 28 riders needed come from? And as for the 2nd Tier? It's the same virtually as the top tier due to the riders needing to ride as much as they do, therefore you cant dilute the 2nd tier to make it cheaper for teams to run in that league as 90% of all riders have to compete (by necessity) in both top leagues.. Those who run the sport certainly like painting themselves into corners dont they?. How do they get out of it? Who knows... My view is if the riders cannot make one league pay, then they get another job as well if they want to continue riding. This happened routinely in the past. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) I'm in the posh seats at Belle Vue tonight Only the best for the PirateShip Edited August 16, 2021 by PirateShip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Lefty said: How about the riders riding under an alias in the other league: So for PL Wolves and the other CL teams: Sam Masters = Dan Plasters Broc Nicol = Don Pickle Rory Schlein = Rick Stein Luke Becker = Duke Pecker Nick Morris = Dick Wallace Ryan Douglas = Bryan Mugless Leon Flint = Don Skint. So team integrity and street credibility restored.... simple Ryan Douglas.... Lugless Douglas Nick Morris...... Morris Minor Danny King..... Don King Rory Schlein...... Out Back Scott Nicholls..... Whoops Scotty Ben Cook..... Head Chef Ben Basso...... Brasso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted August 16, 2021 Report Share Posted August 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, iainb said: Surely the BSPL(A) don't "own" Speedway? What about the SCB or ACU, surely it would only them that can hand out bans? Who holds the riders licences? Do IOW run under the auspices of the SCB or ACU does anybody know? i think possibly it's the SCB that's revoked permission, who stands on the SCB board these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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