chunky Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, iainb said: One off event, no comparison, would Bewley have come 2nd at Eastbourne, highly unlikely. 6 out of 11 WC events in a single country? It's clearly unfair, oink oink You can't have one rule for one for another; THAT is unfair... PS it isn't unfair, just because YOU think so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, iainb said: It would be better for Roofless Robert Lambert. Here all week Unfortunately... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, chunky said: You can't have one rule for one for another; THAT is unfair... PS it isn't unfair, just because YOU think so... You obviously don't know the meaning of the word fair... go educate yourself, oink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, iainb said: You obviously don't know the meaning of the word fair... go educate yourself, oink Sorry to break the news to you, but life isn't fair... So, it's okay for the British Final to be "unfair". but not the World Championship because it favours a rider who couldn't win otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 34 minutes ago, chunky said: Sorry to break the news to you, but life isn't fair... So, it's okay for the British Final to be "unfair". but not the World Championship because it favours a rider who couldn't win otherwise? I'd like to see the British Final run along the same lines as a GP series, not at the same tracks obviously. I was suggesting that last year as a way to give British Riders something meaningful to ride in. Especially as it's not a WC qualifier anymore. You know there's a reason why, when things are run in a league system, which in effect what the GP series is, an Individual Speedway Riders League, that teams meet each other the same amount of times home and away... can you guess why that is (don't help him anybody, he'll get there, in fact I think secretly he already is). For the love of all that is chunky I hope Jan Kvech doesn't qualify for the GP's tomorrow or I think I'll have an aneurysm . oink, oink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 9:54 PM, skydog said: I think the way BSPL worded it was that they fully supported "amateur" racing on the IOW... then decided that it isnt amateur if you are paying riders and charging people to get in (that's why Lydd are exempt from all this). So what about the NDL? Suddenly they dont class it as amateur, even though they had always previously said it was. A vendetta? Surely not! Then I repeat my question….where was any of this ‘ ban ‘ officially notified ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydog Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Then I repeat my question….where was any of this ‘ ban ‘ officially notified ? If you mean where was the threat of a ban made, promotions were notified by BSPL that riders would be banned so that they wouldn't give permission for their riders to race for IOW or "nomad" teams. Or that's what one club claimed when asked for permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 34 minutes ago, skydog said: If you mean where was the threat of a ban made, promotions were notified by BSPL that riders would be banned so that they wouldn't give permission for their riders to race for IOW or "nomad" teams. Or that's what one club claimed when asked for permission. BSPL don't control riders licences though, do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydog Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 I dont know how it works but that is what the club said. They definitely said it was the BSPL that had told them the riders would be banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, skydog said: I dont know how it works but that is what the club said. They definitely said it was the BSPL that had told them the riders would be banned. I doubt, if challenged in a court of law, it would hold up but then who's going to do that... you don't upset the cartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 3 hours ago, skydog said: If you mean where was the threat of a ban made, promotions were notified by BSPL that riders would be banned so that they wouldn't give permission for their riders to race for IOW or "nomad" teams. Or that's what one club claimed when asked for permission. 1 hour ago, iainb said: I doubt, if challenged in a court of law, it would hold up but then who's going to do that... you don't upset the 3 hours ago, skydog said: If you mean where was the threat of a ban made, promotions were notified by BSPL that riders would be banned so that they wouldn't give permission for their riders to race for IOW or "nomad" teams. Or that's what one club claimed when asked for permission. “One club claimed “…..so nothing ‘ official ‘ at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydog Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said: “One club claimed “…..so nothing ‘ official ‘ at all. I'm sorry I dont have a signed copy straight from the BSPL but when a club are asked for permission to use their riders and that's their reply, it was taken to be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 Given that nearly all the 'top riders' in this country don't ride in the Polish league, is it time to make the British Final the biggest meeting of the year and give it a Sunday afternoon date again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 1 hour ago, The Dog said: Given that nearly all the 'top riders' in this country don't ride in the Polish league, is it time to make the British Final the biggest meeting of the year and give it a Sunday afternoon date again? I'm guessing it's part of the Eurosport package otherwise there's no earthly way you'd hold it on a Monday night surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 They could still record it and play it on the Monday night but let the fans and riders have their day back. A Sunday afternoon might be better for a bigger crowd and youngsters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Dog said: They could still record it and play it on the Monday night but let the fans and riders have their day back. A Sunday afternoon might be better for a bigger crowd and youngsters. A very good idea... Best of both worlds, and could be done when there isnt a British rider racing in Poland that day... There must be one at least surely given so few do it? But aside from the day its ran, actually promoting the event would be a start in increasing attendance.. If even the Promoters don't feel it's important enough to do some promotion and marketing around it, and give it a very decent prize fund well into five figures, then you can't expect the fans (or even some riders), to see it as worth attending... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 28 minutes ago, The Dog said: They could still record it and play it on the Monday night but let the fans and riders have their day back. A Sunday afternoon might be better for a bigger crowd and youngsters. I always watch a match that I've attended and has been televised the next day anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 54 minutes ago, iainb said: I always watch a match that I've attended and has been televised the next day anyway And it would given them time to edit out all the delays between races too.. A much more snappy, fast paced programme.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Surely the only way speedway can move forward now is to make our own fixtures priority, like the British Final. If the likes of Woffy, Bewley etc would rather miss out on the chance to be National Champion for another payday in Poland, so be it. Let's look after the riders and fans who are prepared to be a part of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Dog said: Surely the only way speedway can move forward now is to make our own fixtures priority, like the British Final. If the likes of Woffy, Bewley etc would rather miss out on the chance to be National Champion for another payday in Poland, so be it. Let's look after the riders and fans who are prepared to be a part of it Bewley hasn't missed any opportunity to be National Champion to date, I think you may have meant Lambert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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