MARK246 Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 56 minutes ago, Grachan said: I would still have the top 3 in the final as the top 3 on the rostrum. I'd give 20 points for winning the final and go on race points for all the others. that way every race still matters, but you still get the big points for winning the final. So if you win all 7 rides you lose a point ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Bavarian said: I would keep the old scoring system as we had it, all race counts for the world championship, and the scoring in every race is 3-2-1-0, simple as that, easy to understand, and totally fair for every rider. Is it fair that a rider could win the GP and drop further behind the guys he just beat? Is it fair that a rider could win every GP and not even finish in the Top 8 at the end of the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, chunky said: Is it fair that a rider could win the GP and drop further behind the guys he just beat? Is it fair that a rider could win every GP and not even finish in the Top 8 at the end of the year? yes it is, because he earns exactly what he scores in all of his races that night. Winning a final of a Grand Prix meeting is fine and sees him standing on top of the podium as the GP winner on the night, but it is all races (seven races, if he reaches the final) that count for the championship, and if he was not able to beat his opponents in the heat races it is only fair that he does not score the most points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Bavarian said: yes it is, because he earns exactly what he scores in all of his races that night. Winning a final of a Grand Prix meeting is fine and sees him standing on top of the podium as the GP winner on the night, but it is all races (seven races, if he reaches the final) that count for the championship, and if he was not able to beat his opponents in the heat races it is only fair that he does not score the most points. It's a great sport when the winner doesn't score most points... "Oh, I won every GP, but I didn't even finish in the first three..." This is why I have a problem with mixed formats. Have round-robin OR knockout; combining the two leads to problems. Edited August 29, 2021 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 On 8/28/2021 at 7:00 PM, Steve Shovlar said: I guarantee we will see a far superior meeting at Wimborne Road tomorrow afternoon. Do you still stand by that guarantee Steve? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 The old system was better every race counted I thought the idea of the gp was to find the most consistent rider over the year in my eyes the best way is that EVERY race matters and counts towards the final outcome. If they carry on with this system I would prefer the old one off world final no silly semi s no silly finals just 5 rides to get it right. It would be interesting to see who could handle the pressure one bad ride and it’s almost certainly over not like now where you can have a couple of poor rides and still win the meeting just my opinion of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 If the world championship was decided by one meeting Doyle would never be world speedway champion. Only championship he would win would false start-tape breaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 6 hours ago, racers and royals said: Mikebv i think it was posted earlier in the season regarding doing away with the semi`s and having 4 finals D, C, B and A D= lowest 4 scorers GP points 4 , 3 , 2 and 1 C = 2nd lowest scorers GP points 8 , 7 , 6 and 5 B= 2nd highest scorers GP points 12 , 11, 10 and 9 A - highest scorers GP points 20, 18, 16, and 14 every race counts to get into the highest final one can This was the original format which ran from 1995 - 1997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: If the world championship was decided by one meeting Doyle would never be world speedway champion. Only championship he would win would false start-tape breaking. Doyle was the best rider in the series for two years, injury robbed him of the title in 2016. Fully deserved his World Title in 2017. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinker Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 I agree with most of what had been said on this topic. The GP's in their current form just aren't doing it for me anymore. After a lengthy absence I got back into Speedway in 2014 and couldn't wait for each GP to be televised. I also went to Cardiff four times, Poland three times and twice to Prague. Great times I have to say but there is now something seriously lacking which has been evident for the past couple of years at least. The points scoring system doesn't do it for me and I think they should revert back to what it was - every point counts. There are several riders at the moment who are just making up the numbers and when they're out on track you can pretty much predict the result. There don't seem to be any riders in the Nikki P mould and the lack of any controversy seems to have taken the excitement away. In effect, the GPs are very much becoming "same old, same old" and in my view a total revamp is required. As things stand, I would much rather watch British Speedway (didn't think I'd be saying that four years ago) and I really look forward to the matches on Eurosport. The stadiums etc might not be up to much etc but most matches I've seen have had some reasonably good racing with the odd bit of controversy thrown in. I think at the end of the day I probably prefer team racing as opposed to individual events. Anyway, back to the GP's, I hope there are major changes planned for next year (different format, new stadiums etc) to get that buzz back. Fingers crossed! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 I would be hapy to leave the points the way it is at the moment, concentrate on 1) decent race tracks, and that includes GP Challenge where 3 of the following years riders come from. 2) cut out time wastage ie a restart due to tape infringement, riders go direct to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 Sorry to keep harping on about it but how many times did they mention Max Fricke has already qualified for next year. Nothing against him but FFS someone have the sense to have the GP Challenge after the final GP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 12 hours ago, Triple.H. said: Sorry to keep harping on about it but how many times did they mention Max Fricke has already qualified for next year. Nothing against him but FFS someone have the sense to have the GP Challenge after the final GP Hasn't Max Fricke improved steadily over the last couple of years, I've been quite impressed with him this year, just goes about his business without any hype or fuss (except all those mentions about the GP challenge) quietly gaining the points, got a nice tidy style. Currently the top Aussie in the standings ahead of Doyley and has probably justified being selected ahead of Jack Holder by Lemo a couple of years back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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