IainB Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, chunky said: But why 10? It could be 8, 9, 11, 12... Yes, I meant 8, semi finalists, they even award points in the semi at the moment for the losers based on the 20 qualifying races Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, chunky said: Bloody hell, Steve! I'd forgotten all about that! it was simple but fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, False dawn said: Don't forget the fastest lap. Now we've got transponders, every lap for every rider can be recorded. But it shouldn't count for Poles in Poland - apparently that's unfair... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, stevehone said: it was simple but fair Was there such a marked difference in gates back then? I know that nobody used to rattle on about it like they do now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, stevehone said: rattle the box with 4 coloured ball in to determine gate positions, had that years ago in 2nd halves and was the fairest way Bloody hell I remember watching them do that at Sheffield years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, customhouseregular said: I give up. I'm asking a serious question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, r8gdp said: Bloody hell I remember watching them do that at Sheffield years ago Amazing the things we'd forgotten about, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, chunky said: Amazing the things we'd forgotten about, eh? Old age is bugger lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, iainb said: Yes, I meant 8, semi finalists, they even award points in the semi at the moment for the losers based on the 20 qualifying races You want to know my question? Why does every individual meeting these days need a final (and often semi-finals)? Why can't we just use race points from 20 heats? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Old age is a bugger bloody eyesight going now lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, chunky said: lt's all very simple, you see; there are three goals in the current system. 1) Qualify for the semi-finals by finishing in the Top 8. 2) Qualify for the final. 3) Win the final and the GP. There is absolutely nothing unfair to it - not to the riders, anyway. Everybody knows the rules, and everybody has the same chance... There is nothing wrong with your analysis except that under the previous system, not just every race counted towards the championship, every point did. It was worth chasing 3rd place, regardless of your potential to qualify for the semis. You could be on 11 or 2, that 3rd place might be important in the final analysis. Suddenly every position in every race is important. We get to see 23 keenly contested races times 4 positions. 92 significant finishing positions in every GP all of which count in the end of year standings. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, chunky said: But it shouldn't count for Poles in Poland - apparently that's unfair... You think it's totally fair that 6 rounds in an 11 round World Championship are held in one country. In these days of marginal gains, where riders spend thousands of pounds on machinery, hours in the gym honing the body, special diets, psychology consultants, physios, mechanics just to get the slightest advantage over an opponent but it's fine to hold half the rounds in such familiar territory for a few of the riders. Even Jason Doyle said he was feeling home sick for his dog (and wife) in the last GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, chunky said: You want to know my question? Why does every individual meeting these days need a final (and often semi-finals)? Why can't we just use race points from 20 heats? TV/Money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, False dawn said: There is nothing wrong with your analysis except that under the previous system, not just every race counted towards the championship, every point did. It was worth chasing 3rd place, regardless of your potential to qualify for the semis. You could be on 11 or 2, that 3rd place might be important in the final analysis. Suddenly every position in every race is important. We get to see 23 keenly contested races times 4 positions. 92 significant finishing positions in every GP all of which count in the end of year standings. I don't disagree with that, but as I asked; is it fair for the guy who finished 6th to score more than the GP winner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, iainb said: You think it's totally fair that 6 rounds in an 11 round World Championship are held in one country. In these days of marginal gains, where riders spend thousands of pounds on machinery, hours in the gym honing the body, special diets, psychology consultants, physios, mechanics just to get the slightest advantage over an opponent but it's fine to hold half the rounds in such familiar territory for a few of the riders. Even Jason Doyle said he was feeling home sick for his dog (and wife) in the last GP. IT. IS. CALLED. COVID-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, iainb said: TV/Money Not true... They started introducing the poxy things YEARS ago, well before any of this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, chunky said: I don't disagree with that, but as I asked; is it fair for the guy who finished 6th to score more than the GP winner? If we dispense with the semis and the final, as you suggested above, that wouldn't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Just now, chunky said: IT. IS. CALLED. COVID-19. IT IS UNFAIR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, iainb said: Even Jason Doyle said he was feeling home sick for his dog (and wife) in the last GP. That's a terrible way to describe your wife. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, False dawn said: If we dispense with the semis and the final, as you suggested above, that wouldn't happen. That is my point! What is so wrong with a traditional 20-heat meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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