bigcatdiary Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: It’s all about getting to semi finals now,can’t really blame riders for settling for a couple of points a race which all but guarantees a semi final place.The top 1/2 dozen don’t really have much trouble 80% of the time And it’s been caused by the new points scoring system. If every race counted it might improve things. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: And it’s been caused by the new points scoring system. If every race counted it might improve things. agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falubaz Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Fromafar said: agree. Anything that will give Aussie Woffinden an upper hand is good to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrimmy Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Falubaz said: Anything that will give Aussie Woffinden an upper hand is good to you Oh dear you been on the tyskie again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Falubaz said: Anything that will give Aussie Woffinden an upper hand is good to you Woffinden isnt riding well enough this series to do any good. His bikes look slow and his trapping is terrible., and some of his riding lines are a bit suspect as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Falubaz said: Anything that will give Aussie Woffinden an upper hand is good to you Sober up before making stupid comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falubaz Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Shrimmy said: Oh dear you been on the tyskie again What was Tai on when he tatooed the Australian Flag on his body? According to you he did that coz (he loves UK and not feeling an Aussie) and not he thought he was trained by british speedway trainers? And he felt he was British not because it was easy way to get to Polish Ekstraliga... WOFFINDEN IS AS BRITISH AS DOYLE IS Edited August 15, 2021 by Falubaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 15 hours ago, Col said: Wonder if that will hit the confidence of Laguta, looked like he was going to be leading the series comfortably at the end of the night, at that stage. His confidence will be flying high after the 6 home GP's he's got to come... oh, hang on a minute, there's only 1 GP in Russia, how can this be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Sober up before making stupid comments. Ignore him with a bit of luck he might go away 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Falubaz said: I understand you saw GPs when Woffinden was winning every year flawed? Or when Pedersen was winning 6 times? Or maybe Hancock? Did you just stop watching speedway back then? You are so sensitive about your Polish lads, chill the idiot out you absolute melt. I couldn't care less if Zmarzlik was from Outer Mongolia, I don't want to see somebody winning it two, three, four years on the trot. Rickardsson bored me for that very reason. So off you trot, there's a good lad/lass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 47 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: You are so sensitive about your Polish lads, chill the idiot out you absolute melt. I couldn't care less if Zmarzlik was from Outer Mongolia, I don't want to see somebody winning it two, three, four years on the trot. Rickardsson bored me for that very reason. So off you trot, there's a good lad/lass. I'm old school and preferred the one off final, and rounds such as commonwealth, overseas finals etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 1 hour ago, noggin said: I'm old school and preferred the one off final, and rounds such as commonwealth, overseas finals etc. Me too .it makes you wonder how the riders of today would handle the pressure 5 rides no semi s no final the one with the most points wins basically no get out of jail cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 I know we all have our own preferences, but I am amazed at how people ignore the flaws in there own preferred World Championship system. Yes, EVERY system has bad flaws, but it just depends where we choose to look. The old World Final system was the most flawed of all, and most of the time, was NEVER designed to qualify the 16 best riders in the world. That - obviously - is the biggest flaw of all. Different riders competed in very different numbers of meetings and rides to reach the World Final, based on their nationality. The title could be lost because of ONE poor race, and engine failure, or a fall. It was possible to win the World Championship without ever winning a race. The GP system is fairer for everyone (everybody has the same number of meetings, and rides against the same opponents), and my personal favourite was the points system used before the current one. However, that was badly flawed too, the biggest of which was the fact that the winner of an individual GP was not usually the highest scorer on the night! As has been said, how can the winner of a GP lose ground on those who finished behind him? It was also possible (and please don't argue this, as I have repeatedly proven this) for a rider to win every GP, yet not finish in the Top 8 at the end of the year! This is largely because of my first point. While the current system seems to be pissing off everybody, let's look at it like this. The winner of the GP gets the most points. The second place man receives the second highest points, and so on. The problem is that people are looking at things the wrong way... With the old World Final system, the sole idea was to qualify from one round to the next, and it was quite possible for riders to scrape through, and then put on a good display next round. That is EXACTLY what the current system is like. The difference is that each GP basically comprises two rounds; a qualifying round, and a finals. The opening 20 heats is nothing more than a qualifying round for the finals (semi-finals and final). It doesn't matter whether you get a 15 point max, or scrape through as the lowest qualifier, the main thing is that you qualified for the next round. This is just the same as qualifying from the British Final to the British-Nordic Final, or the Commonwealth Final to the Inter-Continental Final. You qualify, and then you all start the next round from scratch; what you did the previous round matters not. So, why was that okay then, but not now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 Bloody hell chunky how long did it take you write all that lol I just think a final meeting with the so called 16 best riders 20 heats the one with the most points wins would be epic now 5 rides pressure on in every race the points system this year as spoilt it for me but Steve mate that’s just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 I personally preferred the old knockout GP system starting with 24 riders and then cutting them down to a final 4. The racing was really cut throat in those days. Obviously the riders didn't like that because they could be going home after 2 rides. So we have to put up with a flawed system whichever one it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, r8gdp said: Bloody hell chunky how long did it take you write all that lol I just think a final meeting with the so called 16 best riders 20 heats the one with the most points wins would be epic now 5 rides pressure on in every race the points system this year as spoilt it for me but Steve mate that’s just my opinion Didn't take long! I've always had my opinions on formats, and I've always been interested in stats! The biggest problem this year is that two riders are running away with it, and the bottom few are really being outclassed. Sometimes that happens, as it's always done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, iainb said: So we have to put up with a flawed system whichever one it is Exactly. There is no perfect system, and there never will be... Edited August 15, 2021 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, chunky said: Exactly. There is no perfect system, and there never will be... The perfect system would be to do away with heat points altogether... but as that's so ingrained into speedway it's unlikely to happen, that was another positive to the knock out system, 2 lasts or thirds and you were out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, iainb said: The perfect system would be to do away with heat points altogether... but as that's so ingrained into speedway it's unlikely to happen, that was another positive to the knock out system, 2 lasts or thirds and you were out. It's bad enough travelling around the world for five minutes of action; who the hell would want to do it for TWO minutes? Everyone is so concerned about "being fair" to the fans, but what about being fair to participants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 3 hours ago, r8gdp said: Me too .it makes you wonder how the riders of today would handle the pressure 5 rides no semi s no final the one with the most points wins basically no get out of jail cards Was more intense and exciting and you still had the spoilers to upset the top guys. I have a large collection of old vhs and dvds, usually only rewatch the old world finals or the very early gps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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