TotallyHonestJohn Posted September 12, 2021 Report Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) On 9/12/2021 at 9:16 AM, Berry9 said: 1) Why did Rob Grant tear the club apart at the seams and alienate a huge section of the fan base by dispensing with the services or forcing the resignation of key figures at the club? For example 'RC' who brought so much to the show and still does at Redcar 2) Does Rob Grant's van stand anywhere else? Those burgers are bloody lovely 1) There has been much debate on this and not to go over old arguments Rob didn't "tear the club apart" many of the "old guard" chose to leave with the previous shower... and haven't been missed to be fare and I would be surprised if any of the fan base knew who they were other than maybe with the exception of RC... and of course not forgetting the two who remained faithful Starting Marshall Phil Day and new Clerk of the Course Brian McBean who both do a cracking job and the club has managed to run without the "suckhole squad" who used to role up and do very little except bring in half a dozen hangers on who didn't pay to get in so very little was lost with them not coming back and on RC.. it was Roy who decided to take it upon himself to denigrate Newcastle at a Redcar meeting which got back to Rob and I believe they have discussed the matter which is now closed and at the end of the day Roy can say what he wants but Rob has the right to protect his business... furthermore Roy was an on cost on the centre green which Rob decided to save upon... personally I like Roy's cheesy craic some don't he's a bit marmite but over 20 meetings in a pre-Covid normal season it is a 2k saving that could be better spent elsewhere I assume. 2) The food wagon does events and festivals which is Robs business... says what it does in the business name to be fair and the most recent was the Leeds Music Festival... so if you go to any of these events who knows may be... but then again I some how don't think so... you will see Grants events catering providing a service... At the end of the day one man owns the franchise at Newcastle and how he runs it and protects it is quite frankly down to him and no one else... Regards THJ Edited September 13, 2021 by Phil Removed names as requested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 10 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: and on RC.. it was Roy who decided to take it upon himself to denigrate Newcastle at a Redcar meeting which got back to Rob and I believe they have discussed the matter which is now closed and at the end of the day Roy can say what he wants but Rob has the right to protect his business... furthermore Roy was an on cost on the centre green which Rob decided to save upon... personally I like Roy's cheesy craic some don't hes a bit marmite but over 20 meetings in a pre-covid normal season it is a 2k saving that could be better spent elsewhere I assume. Regards THJ Not going to get into any arguments about your other points as I know nothing about them so you could be correct in what you are saying, but on Roy ( or RC as you call him)I have been a mate of his for nearly 40 years and 1. I was at the meeting at Redcar where you say he denigrated Newcastle speedway .. He did not !! All he said on the mic was “ Newcastle speedway had gave up a meeting and Redcar had jumped in and were now holding it and if you now want to see some of the best British youngsters on one of speedways finest tracks come along next Thursday to see all the action … He did not criticise Newcastle he praised Redcar ( big difference) .. 2. As previously stated I have known Roy nearly 40 years and in the past few years when he has done centre green announcing I have never known him take a penny from Newcastle speedway for doing that job (or any job for Newcastle Speedway) I asked him again last night and he categorically told me he never got paid a penny at Newcastle for centre green announcing (and having trusted him to be best man at my wedding and Godfather to my daughter I have no reason to believe he would lie to me)so I don’t know where your figure of £100 a meeting came from but it is wrong … Other points you make may or may not be correct but I think you are wrong on the one about Roy getting paid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, KEITH M said: Not going to get into any arguments about your other points as I know nothing about them so you could be correct in what you are saying, but on Roy ( or RC as you call him)I have been a mate of his for nearly 40 years and 1. I was at the meeting at Redcar where you say he denigrated Newcastle speedway .. He did not !! All he said on the mic was “ Newcastle speedway had gave up a meeting and Redcar had jumped in and were now holding it and if you now want to see some of the best British youngsters on one of speedways finest tracks come along next Thursday to see all the action … He did not criticise Newcastle he praised Redcar ( big difference) .. 2. As previously stated I have known Roy nearly 40 years and in the past few years when he has done centre green announcing I have never known him take a penny from Newcastle speedway for doing that job (or any job for Newcastle Speedway) I asked him again last night and he categorically told me he never got paid a penny at Newcastle for centre green announcing (and having trusted him to be best man at my wedding and Godfather to my daughter I have no reason to believe he would lie to me)so I don’t know where your figure of £100 a meeting came from but it is wrong … Other points you make may or may not be correct but I think you are wrong on the one about Roy getting paid Yep and I went to school with Roy and we were in the same class for the last three year at school so add another 10 on how long you have known him and that's where I am... and on the RC thing that was following the format and term used by the previous poster in their text referring to Roy in their question of "For example 'RC' who brought so much to the show and still does at Redcar" because to be fair again I had to think who he was referring to at first I didn't hear what was said at Redcar I only got it second hand and to be fair to Roy I spoke to him about it and he said he felt he hadn't said anything derogatory either and I have no reason not to disbelieve Roy however that's not what was reported back and whatever he said and whatever was reported back it upset the promotion... however I believe there was a discussion between Roy and the promotion and the matter was closed out.... and having spoken to Roy I know he was a bit upset about the outcome but at the end of the day its a new owner with new rules... personally I don't and never have had any issue with Roy... On wages I won't go into that to much however my figure came from Roy himself initially and I know what was quoted and what was discussed re. Newcastle and for that matter what went on up at Berwick and what his expectations were to do something at Worky if the new track gets off the ground fully which I also chatted to Roy about so whether he was going to charge Newcastle or not for his services it still ends up a saving on the balance sheet... Regards THJ Edited September 13, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, Spell Check and Eyesight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Yep and I went to school with Roy and we were in the same class for the last three year at school so add another 10 on how long you have known him and that's where I am... and on the RC thing that was following the format and term used by the previous poster in their text referring to Roy in their question of "For example 'RC' who brought so much to the show and still does at Redcar" because to be fair again I had to think who he was referring to at first I didn't hear what was said at Redcar I only got it second hand and to be fair to Roy I spoke to him about it and he said he felt he hadn't said anything derogatory either and I have no reason not to disbelieve Roy however that's not what was reported back and whatever he said and whatever was reported back it upset the promotion... however I believe there was a discussion between Roy and the promotion and the matter was closed out.... and having spoken to Roy I know he was a bit upset about the outcome but at the end of the day its a new owner with new rules... personally I don't and never have had any issue with Roy... On wages I won't go into that to much however my figure came from Roy himself initially and I know what was quoted and what was discussed re. Newcastle and for that matter what went on up at Berwick and what his expectations were to do something at Worky if the new track gets off the ground fully which I also chatted to Roy about so whether he was going to charge Newcastle or not for his services it still ends up a saving on the balance sheet... Regards THJ I was also present at the Redcar match in question and I certainly didn’t hear anything that was disrespectful towards Newcastle. I know that Roy has always had Newcastle close to his heart and in my view he has been a huge miss on the presentation side this season. As the owner it’s totally within Rob’s gift to make the call that he did but IMHO it is Newcastle who have lost out the most from that situation as Roy has continued to build his reputation at Redcar this season while the match night production at Newcastle this season has been rather poor. The bottom line is that whatever the situation with the former staff who are no longer there, it is Rob’s business to run how he sees fit and he has made the call based upon what he feels is best for his club. Good luck to Rob for the future and here is hoping that we see speedway back in Newcastle at some point in the longer term. Edited September 13, 2021 by Viper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 Gutted for Granty ,he was taking it over with good intentions and for the sake of the Sport and Fans,even he knew there was lot a lot of money to made,unfortunately it has not worked out well for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Viper said: I was also present at the Redcar match in question and I certainly didn’t hear anything that was disrespectful towards Newcastle. I know that Roy has always had Newcastle close to his heart and in my view he has been a huge miss on the presentation side this season. As the owner it’s totally within Rob’s gift to make the call that he did but IMHO it is Newcastle who have lost out the most from that situation as Roy has continued to build his reputation at Redcar this season while the match night production at Newcastle this season has been rather poor. Also with Newcastle needing the cash I know for a fact ( Redcar duties permitting) that Roy would of attended all the home meetings this season as he did the first one against Edinburgh as a paying customer … so there is around £200 Rob could of gained 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 22 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: 1) There has been much debate on this and not to go over old arguments Rob didn't "tear the club apart" many of the "old guard" chose to leave with the previous shower... and haven't been missed to be fare and I would be surprised if any of the fan base knew who they were other than maybe with the exception of RC... and of course not forgetting the two who remained faithful Starting Marshall Phil Day and new Clerk of the Course Brian McBean who both do a cracking job and the club has managed to run without the "suckhole squad" who used to role up and do very little except bring in half a dozen hangers on who didn't pay to get in so very little was lost with them not coming back and on RC.. it was Roy who decided to take it upon himself to denigrate Newcastle at a Redcar meeting which got back to Rob and I believe they have discussed the matter which is now closed and at the end of the day Roy can say what he wants but Rob has the right to protect his business... furthermore Roy was an on cost on the centre green which Rob decided to save upon... personally I like Roy's cheesy craic some don't he's a bit marmite but over 20 meetings in a pre-Covid normal season it is a 2k saving that could be better spent elsewhere I assume. 2) The food wagon does events and festivals which is Robs business... says what it does in the business name to be fair and the most recent was the Leeds Music Festival... so if you go to any of these events who knows may be... but then again I some how don't think so... you will see Grants events catering providing a service... At the end of the day one man owns the franchise at Newcastle and how he runs it and protects it is quite frankly down to him and no one else... Regards THJ An announcer on £100 a meeting ? I think that is a major exaggeration to justify a decision . Roy does a top job, he didn’t slag Newcastle off but Granty overreacted on the say so of tittle tattle, not the first time, but as stated , it’s his club and he runs it how he wants . It’s very sad that the Diamonds look to be no more but some of the stuff put about on here in the recent past hasn’t done the club any favours. I’ll be there on Sunday to pay my respects to a historic club but the last few years , added to this years disaster, has brought about the end of speedway on Tyneside as the fans have drifted away and it’s no longer a sustainable business. That could be repeatable at a few clubs very soon, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: An announcer on £100 a meeting ? I think that is a major exaggeration to justify a decision . Roy does a top job, he didn’t slag Newcastle off but Granty overreacted on the say so of tittle tattle, not the first time, but as stated , it’s his club and he runs it how he wants . It’s very sad that the Diamonds look to be no more but some of the stuff put about on here in the recent past hasn’t done the club any favours. I’ll be there on Sunday to pay my respects to a historic club but the last few years , added to this years disaster, has brought about the end of speedway on Tyneside as the fans have drifted away and it’s no longer a sustainable business. That could be repeatable at a few clubs very soon, sadly. How about an announcer on £150 quid a meeting... not Roy I hasten to add and it was a couple of years back now and Roy knows who it is but never mind... Whatever Roy said and however it was interpreted it pressed the wrong buttons with the Promotion and as you say it is Robs club (for now) and he reacted how he felt appropriate and I think both of them have moved on and whatever has happened it is now confined to the dust bin of history... Also I would never say it is over til the fat lady sings and there may be a saviour out there who is willing to give it a go if the rumours are correct... However they are only rumours at the minute and you never know if there is any truth in them and I know that no official approach been made but there may be something in the offing... No smoke without fire and all that... Regards THJ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singy13 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: How about an announcer on £150 quid a meeting... not Roy I hasten to add and it was a couple of years back now and Roy knows who it is but never mind... Think I might have an idea who THJ.......and if I'm thinking right he was well worth it....sadly missed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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