Tsunami Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: Felt sorry for the lad who was leading heat 2 against Poole and in for a point against Plymouth before falling. Good luck to the lad and glad nothing is broken. He will be scoring his first points for his club soon. That was Archie who I referred to before the meeting. 16 and gating getting better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: I heard yesterday that Newcastle can only used British riders due to Brexit. The promotion cannot bring in foreign riders due to the business being less than 1 year old. New brexit red tape. Not entirely true. Yes they cannot bring in any foreign rider who hasn't previously rode in this country, but they can sign anyone who is/has already ridden here. For example, they could have signed Troy Batchelor when he was available if circumstances permitted. They also had the Dane Claus Vissing as their number 1 before they decided to dispense with his services a month or so before the season. That had nothing to do with brexit. We have effectively swapped Claus for Archie, so it's little surprise that we are struggling. No disrespect to the young lad who has a promising future ahead of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, leander said: Not entirely true. Yes they cannot bring in any foreign rider who hasn't previously rode in this country, but they can sign anyone who is/has already ridden here. For example, they could have signed Troy Batchelor when he was available if circumstances permitted. They also had the Dane Claus Vissing as their number 1 before they decided to dispense with his services a month or so before the season. That had nothing to do with brexit. But it does substantially reduce their options. For example Benjamin Basso and other rising Danish stars would appear to be ruled out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, arnieg said: But it does substantially reduce their options. For example Benjamin Basso and other rising Danish stars would appear to be ruled out. True. but the reason given for Vissing's release was they couldn't afford to fly him in and out of the country. So that rules everybody based in europe out (even if they are British!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, arnieg said: But it does substantially reduce their options. For example Benjamin Basso and other rising Danish stars would appear to be ruled out. He is going to be a top rider some day. He's like a clean Nicki. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, leander said: True. but the reason given for Vissing's release was they couldn't afford to fly him in and out of the country. So that rules everybody based in europe out (even if they are British!) Well that would make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, leander said: True. but the reason given for Vissing's release was they couldn't afford to fly him in and out of the country. So that rules everybody based in europe out (even if they are British!) Thats not true... and on Vissing it had nothing to do with not being able to fly Claus in and out of the country so where you got that information from? Or are you just making it up? Claus couldn't commit to Newcastle because he didn't have a second team over here to ride for... furthermore it was cheaper getting him here from Europe than it is for getting some of our other riders in this country to Newcastle... No one in Europe is ruled out on cost... Regards THJ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Thats not true... and on Vissing it had nothing to do with not being able to fly Claus in and out of the country so where you got that information from? Or are you just making it up? Claus couldn't commit to Newcastle because he didn't have a second team over here to ride for... furthermore it was cheaper getting him here from Europe than it is for getting some of our other riders in this country to Newcastle... No one in Europe is ruled out on cost... Regards THJ Newcastle Speedway website in April :- “Regrettably we have had to let Claus Vissing go, as we simply do not know what the travel restrictions are going to be, and with the guy expecting to travel a lot, it could have caused major issues for availability and push the travel costs very high indeed. Looks like travel costs were an issue to me! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, leander said: Newcastle Speedway website in April :- “Regrettably we have had to let Claus Vissing go, as we simply do not know what the travel restrictions are going to be, and with the guy expecting to travel a lot, it could have caused major issues for availability and push the travel costs very high indeed. Looks like travel costs were an issue to me! They weren't for the club as the deal had been done... and Claus wouldn't comitt to Newcastle and said his Danish team would come first unless he got a second British club... he wanted to come in and out of the country as per the old days... pre Brexit... which at that time would have meant that his availability could not be guarenteed... there was also other outside interference that dictated the action taken... if you were aware of the European riders this promotion have approached you would be astounded... They have tried for six Scandinavians and five British based riders (in the last 6 weeks) all to no avail and cost has never come into the mix... neither wages or travel expenses... there's one thing for sure this guy pays his riders as per contract unlike the previous shower who run the spot... who still owed money to 4 of the 7 at the end of their last season and left this promotion to pay the bill... It's just another sorry saga in Diamonds history that this new promotion have had to contend with but with the support that come to the for this weekend hopefully Rob will feel revitalised from the good will and support he received and he carries on fighting the good fight... The show of support on Sunday was absolutely fantastic just a pity the team couldn't rise to the challenge and my only wish would have been to race against Plymouth first then Poole and although I still think Poole would have been good for the points it would have been a bit closer (and two heats shorter) but never mind it was a fantastic turn out... Just need half of those in attendance this week to come back next week and build from there and it will be a different story next year that's for sure... although three quarters would be better... Regards THJ Edited August 9, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Edited for accuracy 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 Interesting that @chris4gillian has nothing to say about Bowtell's score for Poole compared to ZK score for Plymouth! Totally gained from that! Only meeting we missed him since he left is prob at Berwick. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Interesting that @chris4gillian has nothing to say about Bowtell's score for Poole compared to ZK score for Plymouth! Totally gained from that! Only meeting we missed him since he left is prob at Berwick. If only there was a 'yawn' emoji 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 10 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Interesting that @chris4gillian has nothing to say about Bowtell's score for Poole compared to ZK score for Plymouth! Totally gained from that! Only meeting we missed him since he left is prob at Berwick. Not going to get into your spat but Zane Keleher was the worst rider of 20 there by the proverbial. Regardless of the behind the scenes issue he would have been out by now from his on track riding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 13 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: They weren't for the club as the deal had been done... and Claus wouldn't comitt to Newcastle and said his Danish team would come first unless he got a second British club... he wanted to come in and out of the country as per the old days... pre Brexit... which at that time would have meant that his availability could not be guarenteed... there was also other outside interference that dictated the action taken... if you were aware of the European riders this promotion have approached you would be astounded... They have tried for six Scandinavians and five British based riders (in the last 6 weeks) all to no avail and cost has never come into the mix... neither wages or travel expenses... there's one thing for sure this guy pays his riders as per contract unlike the previous shower who run the spot... who still owed money to 4 of the 7 at the end of their last season and left this promotion to pay the bill... It's just another sorry saga in Diamonds history that this new promotion have had to contend with but with the support that come to the for this weekend hopefully Rob will feel revitalised from the good will and support he received and he carries on fighting the good fight... The show of support on Sunday was absolutely fantastic just a pity the team couldn't rise to the challenge and my only wish would have been to race against Plymouth first then Poole and although I still think Poole would have been good for the points it would have been a bit closer (and two heats shorter) but never mind it was a fantastic turn out... Just need half of those in attendance this week to come back next week and build from there and it will be a different story next year that's for sure... although three quarters would be better... Regards THJ Would be interested to know who all of these riders we have approached are? Just out of curiosity more than anything, always nice to know what's happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Not going to get into your spat but Zane Keleher was the worst rider of 20 there by the proverbial. Regardless of the behind the scenes issue he would have been out by now from his on track riding. On his away form I'd completely agree but at Plymouth he's done well, that would keep him in the side. Besides Plymouth have far more pressing concerns with Ruml. He has been shocking pretty much ever since we signed him and I'd much rather have kept Goret, who in my opinion has a much higher ceiling. I appreciate there may have been other issues with that one. I get it's his first year in British speedway and all that but enough is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 20 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: They weren't for the club as the deal had been done... and Claus wouldn't comitt to Newcastle and said his Danish team would come first unless he got a second British club... he wanted to come in and out of the country as per the old days... pre Brexit... which at that time would have meant that his availability could not be guarenteed... there was also other outside interference that dictated the action taken... if you were aware of the European riders this promotion have approached you would be astounded... They have tried for six Scandinavians and five British based riders (in the last 6 weeks) all to no avail and cost has never come into the mix... neither wages or travel expenses... there's one thing for sure this guy pays his riders as per contract unlike the previous shower who run the spot... who still owed money to 4 of the 7 at the end of their last season and left this promotion to pay the bill... It's just another sorry saga in Diamonds history that this new promotion have had to contend with but with the support that come to the for this weekend hopefully Rob will feel revitalised from the good will and support he received and he carries on fighting the good fight... The show of support on Sunday was absolutely fantastic just a pity the team couldn't rise to the challenge and my only wish would have been to race against Plymouth first then Poole and although I still think Poole would have been good for the points it would have been a bit closer (and two heats shorter) but never mind it was a fantastic turn out... Just need half of those in attendance this week to come back next week and build from there and it will be a different story next year that's for sure... although three quarters would be better... Regards THJ I seem to remember an interview with Claus in the Speedway Star at the tome (or maybe it was a twitter post from him on the now removed Newcastle thread on here) where he was quoted as saying that he sympathised with Newcastle's decision to release him, he was disappointed and couldn't understand why they left it so late, giving him little opportunity to find another club. He says' they could have told him in January that they COULDN'T AFFORD him, so that he could look somewhere else. So I wouldn't say that he couldn't commit to Newcastle. In the same Official Newcastle Statement Rob also mentions the need to reduce overheads for this season. As a business man you should know that your biggest expenditure is nearly always staff wages. Newcastle have had the proverbial "Begging Bowl" out twice this season already, and we're only halfway through, so to imply that wage and travel costs aren't an issue is just rubbish. If we've tried to sign ELEVEN riders in the last six weeks then I would say that wages and travel costs very probably do come into it to some greater or lesser degree. You can believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I read in official statements and press releases. In other words we'll just have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, leander said: If we've tried to sign ELEVEN riders in the last six weeks then I would say that wages and travel costs very probably do come into it to some greater or lesser degree. You can believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I read in official statements and press releases. In other words we'll just have to agree to disagree. Tell ya what I will bring Rob over on Sunday and he can explain what the true situation was... cost never came into it with Claus it's people trying to be diplomatic that muddy the water... I would rather have it all out there... then the truth can't be denied... on the riders that have been approached the biggest stumbling block has been Poland and racing on a Sunday not costs... Regards THJ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 Is there a DVD available for these 2 meetings from Sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 9:25 AM, Steve Shovlar said: Not going to get into your spat but Zane Keleher was the worst rider of 20 there by the proverbial. Regardless of the behind the scenes issue he would have been out by now from his on track riding. No spat, just a bit of bants which seemed to spiral much further than initially expected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted August 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Pirates Of Poole said: Is there a DVD available for these 2 meetings from Sunday? Tapes Up certainly recorded the meetings, so keep an eye out on their website: https://www.speedwayondvd.com/home/GB/newcastle-diamonds Or if you are on Facebook possibly send them a message: https://www.facebook.com/tapesupproductions/ Edited August 11, 2021 by StevePark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: If we've tried to sign ELEVEN riders in the last six weeks then I would say that wages and travel costs very probably do come into it to some greater or lesser degree. You can believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I read in official statements and press releases Honestly Ian Being a former chauffeur to Mr English in the past I am sure you were told information that differed wildly from the press release and that the official comments and that those press releases were no where near the truth and lets say what was actually put out was more diplomatic and a little bit sanitised than the true events of what went on and I may get a wrist slapping for this but hey ho... So here it is as far as I know... from the start of the season and over the last two months or so (and from Matty getting injured) the club have tried for Kenneth and Lasse Bjerre; Ludvig Lingren and Claus again (twice) also Rene Bach and we have even asked about trying to get Kenni Larsen's licence back but all to no avail... also when the Visa issues started with Claus feelers were put out to Martin Smolinski and Adam Skornicki; certain avenues were explored and even UK access sponsorship and Elite Sports Person's visas were looked into for all these riders. There were also three other riders two Danes and one Swede who were approached but ruled out coming to Newcastle from the start and these contacts were not taken any further. We had to all intents and purposes Troy Batch signed on as we believed we were the only side in the league who could fit him in then Kent got the jump on us so that went out of the window and we have also tried Rohan Tungate; Brady Kurtz and Luke Bekker and finally Dan Bewley and Dan was the only one we got near to be fair but his Polish team are in the play offs and he couldn't afford a Mickey Mouse injury at Brough jeopardising those play off finals especially with what his Polish team has invested in him so that stopped him... Ellis Perks; Bradley Wilson Dean; Josh Auty and Josh Bates are amongst others who the promotion have talked to... Wages and travel costs have never ever in any of the guys mentioned above been an issue... Work permits; Visas; Sunday racing and Poland were all the primary issue for the foreign riders and as far as the riders already here their issues have been as stated above or different again on personal grounds... That's SEVENTEEN riders they have tried to bring in that I know about and there have been others on top of those named above... However the club now being run by consummate professionals would never reveal such things would they; however me being a "Merchant Banker" who doesn't give a "Rats Behind" and is too big to hit... well... there you go... I can also confirm that the riders wages are all up to date and riders are paid according to contract and they get everything they are entitled to... any issues are resolved immediately and the promotion are having to re-build the clubs reputation with regards to this matter following on from the mess that the previous shower left and those same people who although used to cry foul when other clubs were slow paying riders proved to be just as bad and if not worse than the worst of them carrying out the same practice with riders still owed monies at the start of the next season... So your belief Ian that wages and costs are the issue are wrong... Totally Wrong... Regards THJ Oops I forgot one make that EIGHTEEN as another one they got quite a way down the "contract talks" track with was Hans Andersen however another one who cited that Sunday and Poland was a problem... not the offer... Edited August 11, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Edited for accuracy 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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