CountArthur Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Does age have to be a factor though? I think Luke is more entitled to be in the rising star category with three years of experience, than Bates or Bacon who had three times that. The scheme is a good one and is yielding results already - Brennan, Palin, Flint, the Thompsons - all making good progress. In the early 1970s they didn't really need a rising star scheme because there were more tracks and no foreign riders in the Second Division, but John Louis didn't start until he was nearly 30 and would have been entitled to be a rising star by today's standards. He went on to finish on the rostrum at the World Final. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, CountArthur said: Does age have to be a factor though? I think Luke is more entitled to be in the rising star category with three years of experience, than Bates or Bacon who had three times that. The scheme is a good one and is yielding results already - Brennan, Palin, Flint, the Thompsons - all making good progress. In the early 1970s they didn't really need a rising star scheme because there were more tracks and no foreign riders in the Second Division, but John Louis didn't start until he was nearly 30 and would have been entitled to be a rising star by today's standards. He went on to finish on the rostrum at the World Final. Bacon was a latecomer to the sport too. He shouldn't be placed in the same category as Bates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountArthur Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Marshall07 said: Bacon was a latecomer to the sport too. He shouldn't be placed in the same category as Bates Tom Bacon started in 2014, Bates in 2012 - but Bates missed a full season through injury, so there's not much in it. My point was that Luke Crang has only ridden for three years, while Tom Bacon has ridden for six years and Bates for seven (not counting the 2020 season). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, CountArthur said: Tom Bacon started in 2014, Bates in 2012 - but Bates missed a full season through injury, so there's not much in it. My point was that Luke Crang has only ridden for three years, while Tom Bacon has ridden for six years and Bates for seven (not counting the 2020 season). I'm in total agreement that age shouldn't come into it. There's a lot of good riders in this country that didn't come through the youth system! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 31 minutes ago, CountArthur said: Tom Bacon started in 2014, Bates in 2012 - but Bates missed a full season through injury, so there's not much in it. My point was that Luke Crang has only ridden for three years, while Tom Bacon has ridden for six years and Bates for seven (not counting the 2020 season). Rode for Coventry in the NL in 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountArthur Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, StevePark said: Rode for Coventry in the NL in 2013 Career Record - 2013-15 Coventry (NL), Redcar 2014, Berwick 2015 - has only ridden for three years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 1 hour ago, CountArthur said: Does age have to be a factor though? I think Luke is more entitled to be in the rising star category with three years of experience, than Bates or Bacon who had three times that. The scheme is a good one and is yielding results already - Brennan, Palin, Flint, the Thompsons - all making good progress. In the early 1970s they didn't really need a rising star scheme because there were more tracks and no foreign riders in the Second Division, but John Louis didn't start until he was nearly 30 and would have been entitled to be a rising star by today's standards. He went on to finish on the rostrum at the World Final. I would suggest the likes of Brennan, Palin, Flint etc would of been used as 3.00 reserves regardless of the rising star system. Just seems farcical to call such a set up "Rising Star's" and then include riders in their late twenties in it. How Josh Bates was ever included in such a list is beyond me. They would of been far better off just insisting each side had to have two British riders at reserve, regardless of their age and save the embarrassment this system has seen so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 I think that you will find that Luke Crang is not Edinburgh Rising Star. I would imagine that Nathan Greaves who is on the list will be re-declared Edinburgh's Rising Star rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Luke is on the rising star list is he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eide67 Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Luke Crang is on the list as a 2* Rising Star. Nathan Greaves is on the list as a 4*, so can't be used as a Rising Star in the Championship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, spin king said: I think that you will find that Luke Crang is not Edinburgh Rising Star. I would imagine that Nathan Greaves who is on the list will be re-declared Edinburgh's Rising Star rider. https://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.39282 Quote "EDINBURGH have released Joe Lawlor from their Rising Star position and replaced him with Luke Crang." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Apologies guys did not see Crang's name on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Just now, spin king said: Apologies guys did not see Crang's name on the list. Nathan is also a 4 star, which rules him out of being used as a championship rising star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petecc Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 Aren't all clubs supposed to use 2 rising stars next year. By then Nicholls Harris & cook could qualify Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 It’s a farce. Just set a half decent points limit and let teams build accordingly 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 (edited) Welcome Luke. Could be a shrewd signing. Get those blue and gold ribbons ready. Edited July 31, 2021 by JanAndersen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 2 hours ago, JanAndersen said: Welcome Luke. Could be a shrewd signing. Get those blue and gold ribbons ready. Wonder where Willie will ride in the 1 to 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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