BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 How have Newcastle managed to suffer losses with the 1-7 they put out this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 Sounds like time to listen to the head rather than the heart. Sad though that may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said: How have Newcastle managed to suffer losses with the 1-7 they put out this season? Just had a quick look,,, Newcastle has averaged 38points home and away. So, if its £70 per point (ave) plus £500 on travel expenses, that's not far short of £6000 + the £3000 for other meeting costs, that a lot of £17's per home match needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Just had a quick look,,, Newcastle has averaged 38points home and away. So, if its £70 per point (ave) plus £500 on travel expenses, that's not far short of £6000 + the £3000 for other meeting costs, that a lot of £17's per home match needed. Since when did 38 X £70 plus £500 come close to £6k?! Edit: Doh! Away too Edited September 16, 2021 by Marshall07 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said: How have Newcastle managed to suffer losses with the 1-7 they put out this season? The VAT man taking nearly £40k off the club at the start of the season done the damage 39 minutes ago, TheScotsman said: Sounds like time to listen to the head rather than the heart. Sad though that may be. Aye you wouldn't put your 17 year old dog through it would you... just prolonging the pain 30 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Just had a quick look,,, Newcastle has averaged 38points home and away. So, if its £70 per point (ave) plus £500 on travel expenses, that's not far short of £6000 + the £3000 for other meeting costs, that a lot of £17's per home match needed. As it happens Ruff just under £65 quid per point however your are spot on... However Rob has made a good fist of it and would have made a small profit this year (and this is a guess) to about £5k depending if we get the 550+ required for the last home meeting and talking to Daryl Illingworth last night about it and he reckons that would have been the first profit the club made since the early to mid 90's so it has been a hell of an effort by Rob and his team... It does need pointing out it is not solely the finance situation that has Rob fed up... its the whole thing he inherited; it was the rules and regulations he had to be tied into amongst many other things and the final straw I believe was the attempt to poach his only recognised heat leader just before the cut off date for changes... it does take a great deal of time and effort to run a Speedway team for not much recognition or any recompense and to be fair Rob never went into this for the plaudits but he has my full admiration for the effort he has put in this year because it has been one long hard slog but he got to the end of the season... not sure if it was good luck or by good management however he seen the year out without folding... Regards THJ Edited September 16, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, Spell Check and Eyesight 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: The VAT man taking nearly £40k off the club at the start of the season done the damage Regards THJ But that wont happen if he runs 2022??? Or has he just reached the end of his tether...? A lot seems to have been posted today, will make some interesting reading tonight... Edited September 16, 2021 by Diamonds85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 I would though insist on a BSPL recognised promotion team with a decent track record before any cash is put forward by fans. We did a big collection when the Phillips promotion closed Birmingham. £10k was pledged to continue the following year. Unsurprisingly you get some scrupulous people come forward, we at Birmingham even had the Phillips family once again come forward! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: The VAT man taking nearly £40k off the club at the start of the season done the damage Aye you wouldn't put your 17 year old dog through it would you... just prolonging the pain As it happens Ruff just under £65 quid per point however your are spot on... However Rob has made a good fist of it and would have made a small profit this year (and this is a guess) to about £5k depending if we get the 550+ required for the last home meeting and talking to Daryl Illingworth last night about it and he reckons that would have been the first profit the club made since the early to mid 90's so it has been a hell of an effort by Rob and his team... It does need pointing out it is not solely the finance situation that has Rob fed up... its the whole thing he inherited; it was the rules and regulations he had to be tied into amongst many other things and the final straw I believe was the attempt to poach his only recognised heat leader just before the cut off date for changes... it does take a great deal of time and effort to run a Speedway team for not much recognition or any recompense and to be fair Rob never went into this for the plaudits but he has my full admiration for the effort he has put in this year because it has been one long hard slog but he got to the end of the season... not sure if it was good luck or by good management however he seen the year out without folding... Regards THJ Made a profit including the 10k fans raised so a 5k loss really? Either way I thought it might of been a lot worse due to low crowds. Good job we didn’t have a team hitting 60 points per match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 wonder if the people of Tyneside would turn out for NL racing to the tune of 4/500 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:  It does need pointing out it is not solely the finance situation that has Rob fed up... its the whole thing he inherited; it was the rules and regulations he had to be tied into amongst many other things and the final straw I believe was the attempt to poach his only recognised heat leader just before the cut off date for changes... it does take a great deal of time and effort to run a Speedway team for not much recognition or any recompense and to be fair Rob never went into this for the plaudits but he has my full admiration for the effort he has put in this year because it has been one long hard slog but he got to the end of the season... not sure if it was good luck or by good management however he seen the year out without folding... Regards THJ Hopefully a good turn out for Birmingham meeting and many can say goodbye to a place, that for a lot of folk is a big part of they're lives. As for next season, if there is someone out there to take the work load on and give it a go, great, but without a concrete plan to move on to a new home, I think it's just gonna be the same. Not enough folk want it, so it has to incur less costs. However, if it does roll on, al be there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Gaz said: Made a profit including the 10k fans raised so a 5k loss really? Either way I thought it might of been a lot worse due to low crowds. Good job we didn’t have a team hitting 60 points per match. Forget the 10k add/remove the 40k back in what the liquidators took as well Gaz... Yep a successful team would have really knackered the job... aka Worky... Regards THJ Edited September 16, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Edited for accuracy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) A 'Fans owned club' had been looked at with Eastbourne, it's not just the running costs to take into account but the start up costs. The BSPL bond + rider asset bond required. Rider signing on fees, insurance, does the air fence require upgrading/replacing? All this takes up most if not more of season ticket sales before you start and thats an income you don't get through the gate all year as this has been paid up front. So out of the 500 gate maybe 100/120 have paid in full via a season ticket so you have a gate of really only 380 paying each week to keep cash flow running in a healthy state.. Edited September 16, 2021 by M.D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 A hope they've remembered a big box of fireworks for Sunday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 hours ago, ruffdiamond said: Hopefully a good turn out for Birmingham meeting and many can say goodbye to a place, that for a lot of folk is a big part of they're lives. As for next season, if there is someone out there to take the work load on and give it a go, great, but without a concrete plan to move on to a new home, I think it's just gonna be the same. Not enough folk want it, so it has to incur less costs. However, if it does roll on, al be there. Maybe a former Peterborough promoter with Redcar connections ? He would probably take us if he did rescue it in time up into the prem... Just saying or maybe dreaming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 16, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Justgotmecpc said: Maybe a former Peterborough promoter with Redcar connections ? He would probably take us if he did rescue it in time up into the prem... Just saying or maybe dreaming He probably wouldn't get a license off the BSPL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Justgotmecpc said: Maybe a former Peterborough promoter with Redcar connections ? He would probably take us if he did rescue it in time up into the prem... Just saying or maybe dreaming Someone with a bigger heart than brain would help,,, does the heart rule the brain, or vice versa?,,,, Edited September 16, 2021 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 47 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Someone with a bigger heart than brain would help,,, does the heart rule the brain, or vice versa?,,,, I was always told a man with a hard dick had no conscience is that the same?... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: I was always told a man with a hard dick had no conscience is that the same?... Dunno, but maybe that's a 'Dick Head'?,,, a love all them folklore story's about trains, ladders and black cats and stuff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrace Grumbler Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 56 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: a love all them folklore story's about trains, ladders and black cats and stuff. Wtf you on about, Ruff? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 3 hours ago, StevePark said: He probably wouldn't get a license off the BSPL. If the coin is waved the license will be giving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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