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14 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said:

How have Newcastle managed to suffer losses with the 1-7 they put out this season?

Just had a quick look,,, Newcastle has averaged 38points home and away. So, if its £70 per point (ave) plus £500 on travel expenses, that's not far short of £6000 + the £3000 for other meeting costs, that a lot of £17's per home match needed.

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10 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Just had a quick look,,, Newcastle has averaged 38points home and away. So, if its £70 per point (ave) plus £500 on travel expenses, that's not far short of £6000 + the £3000 for other meeting costs, that a lot of £17's per home match needed.

Since when did 38 X £70 plus £500 come close to £6k?!

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49 minutes ago, KingoftheTrack said:

How have Newcastle managed to suffer losses with the 1-7 they put out this season?

The VAT man taking nearly £40k off the club at the start of the season done the damage

39 minutes ago, TheScotsman said:

Sounds like time to listen to the head rather than the heart.

Sad though that may be.

Aye you wouldn't put your 17 year old dog through it would you... just prolonging the pain

30 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said:

Just had a quick look,,, Newcastle has averaged 38points home and away. So, if its £70 per point (ave) plus £500 on travel expenses, that's not far short of £6000 + the £3000 for other meeting costs, that a lot of £17's per home match needed.

As it happens Ruff just under £65 quid per point however your are spot on... However Rob has made a good fist of it and would have made a small profit this year (and this is a guess) to about £5k depending if we get the 550+ required for the last home meeting and talking to Daryl Illingworth last night about it and he reckons that would have been the first profit the club made since the early to mid 90's so it has been a hell of an effort by Rob and his team...

It does need pointing out it is not solely the finance situation that has Rob fed up... its the whole thing he inherited; it was the rules and regulations he had to be tied into amongst many other things and the final straw I believe was the attempt to poach his only recognised heat leader just before the cut off date for changes... it does take a great deal of time and effort to run a Speedway team for not much recognition or any recompense and to be fair Rob never went into this for the plaudits but he has my full admiration for the effort he has put in this year because it has been one long hard slog but he got to the end of the season... not sure if it was good luck or by good management however he seen the year out without folding...

Regards

THJ

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10 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

The VAT man taking nearly £40k off the club at the start of the season done the damage

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THJ

But that wont happen if he runs 2022??? Or has he just reached the end of his tether...?

A lot seems to have been posted today, will make some interesting reading tonight...

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I would though insist on a BSPL recognised promotion team with a decent track record before any cash is put forward by fans. 

We did a big collection when the Phillips promotion closed Birmingham. £10k was pledged to continue the following year. Unsurprisingly you get some scrupulous people come forward, we at Birmingham even had the Phillips family once again come forward!

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17 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

The VAT man taking nearly £40k off the club at the start of the season done the damage

Aye you wouldn't put your 17 year old dog through it would you... just prolonging the pain

As it happens Ruff just under £65 quid per point however your are spot on... However Rob has made a good fist of it and would have made a small profit this year (and this is a guess) to about £5k depending if we get the 550+ required for the last home meeting and talking to Daryl Illingworth last night about it and he reckons that would have been the first profit the club made since the early to mid 90's so it has been a hell of an effort by Rob and his team...

It does need pointing out it is not solely the finance situation that has Rob fed up... its the whole thing he inherited; it was the rules and regulations he had to be tied into amongst many other things and the final straw I believe was the attempt to poach his only recognised heat leader just before the cut off date for changes... it does take a great deal of time and effort to run a Speedway team for not much recognition or any recompense and to be fair Rob never went into this for the plaudits but he has my full admiration for the effort he has put in this year because it has been one long hard slog but he got to the end of the season... not sure if it was good luck or by good management however he seen the year out without folding...

Regards

THJ

Made a profit including the 10k fans raised so a 5k loss really? Either way I thought it might of been a lot worse due to low crowds.

Good job we didn’t have a team hitting 60 points per match. 

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18 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

 

It does need pointing out it is not solely the finance situation that has Rob fed up... its the whole thing he inherited; it was the rules and regulations he had to be tied into amongst many other things and the final straw I believe was the attempt to poach his only recognised heat leader just before the cut off date for changes... it does take a great deal of time and effort to run a Speedway team for not much recognition or any recompense and to be fair Rob never went into this for the plaudits but he has my full admiration for the effort he has put in this year because it has been one long hard slog but he got to the end of the season... not sure if it was good luck or by good management however he seen the year out without folding...

Regards

THJ

Hopefully a good turn out for Birmingham meeting and many can say goodbye to a place, that for a lot of folk is a big part of they're lives.

As for next season, if there is someone out there to take the work load on and give it a go, great, but without a concrete plan to move on to a new home, I think it's just gonna be the same. Not enough folk want it, so it has to incur less costs. 

However, if it does roll on, al be there.

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23 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Made a profit including the 10k fans raised so a 5k loss really? Either way I thought it might of been a lot worse due to low crowds.

Good job we didn’t have a team hitting 60 points per match. 

Forget the 10k add/remove the 40k back in what the liquidators took as well Gaz...

Yep a successful team would have really knackered the job... aka Worky...

Regards 

THJ

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A 'Fans owned club' had been looked at with Eastbourne, it's not just the running costs to take into account but the start up costs.

The BSPL bond + rider asset bond required. 

Rider signing on fees, insurance, does the air fence require upgrading/replacing?

All this takes up most if not more of season ticket sales before you start and thats an income you don't get through the gate all year as this has been paid up front. So out of the 500 gate maybe 100/120 have paid in full via a season ticket so you have a gate of really only 380 paying each week to keep cash flow running in a healthy state..

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3 hours ago, ruffdiamond said:

Hopefully a good turn out for Birmingham meeting and many can say goodbye to a place, that for a lot of folk is a big part of they're lives.

As for next season, if there is someone out there to take the work load on and give it a go, great, but without a concrete plan to move on to a new home, I think it's just gonna be the same. Not enough folk want it, so it has to incur less costs. 

However, if it does roll on, al be there.

Maybe a former Peterborough promoter with Redcar connections ? He would probably take us if he did rescue it in time up into the prem... Just saying or maybe dreaming

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1 minute ago, Justgotmecpc said:

Maybe a former Peterborough promoter with Redcar connections ? He would probably take us if he did rescue it in time up into the prem... Just saying or maybe dreaming

He probably wouldn't get a license off the BSPL.

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54 minutes ago, Justgotmecpc said:

Maybe a former Peterborough promoter with Redcar connections ? He would probably take us if he did rescue it in time up into the prem... Just saying or maybe dreaming

Someone with a bigger heart than brain would help,,, does the heart rule the brain, or vice versa?,,,, 

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