Pinny Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, HenryW said: I loved Tomek during his career, but the claim that he destroyed the other greats of the era seems unfounded due to the fact that he won ONE world title in an era that saw Tony Rickardsson win 6, Nicki Pedersen win 3, Jason Crump win 3 and some dull American win a few as well... You might need to rethink that "destroyed" claim Because he had nothing better? But NOT ALL competitions...Only ones classified as "World" events. Russian anthem is OK for "regional" events such as SEC. Yeah, I was intrigued by some of the decisions. To me, Zmarzlik looked ahead of Fricke in that race...and interesting that they didn't show the transponder times for that race! Not that those are the right way to decide a result as positioning can make a difference. At this level, WHY is there still no proper photo finish system in place? Why is ref being made to look at random TV camera angles that are never totally in line? Get a proper system in place like most top level sports run. Lindgren and Janowski...YES! Stop the race if you think it was an unfair move. I am absolutely amazed that the rules allow a ref to look back after a race finishes and swap the finishing position of riders. Janowski finished last. If you are going to exclude Lindgren without stopping the race, should that not make Janowski third? Doyle/Swidnicki incident I am OK with. Yes, Doyle took out Swidnicki, but the decision was an unsatisfactory start due to the tapes going up unevenly, so anything that happened after that was irrelevant. Lindgren and Vaculik....First bend incident for me, so ref got it right. Yes, Lindgren lifted and went a bit wider than normal, but they were all so close it was hard to say that the outside two wouldn't have collided without any Lindgren involvement. Gollob was nowhere near good enough and consistent enough during the Rickardsson/Crump/Pedersen era to get close to dominating. Put him on a big wide track with rockets underneath him and he was superb to watch, however as proven season upon season, he wasn't consistent enough to win a world title until Rickardsson had retired, Crump and Pedersen were passed their peak and the overall quality in the line up was well below the standards of previous seasons. I actually liked Gollob a lot, in full flight a joy to watch and had that aura about him. But to consider him in the same breath as the likes of Ricko, Pedersen, Crump, Hancock is ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) Lublin Saturday result 1st Laguta 20 2nd Zmarzlik 18 3rd Kubera 16 4th Lindgren 14 5th Sayfutdinov 12 6th Fricke 11 7th Woffinden 10 8th Thomsen 9 9th Lambert 8 10th Doyle 7 11th Vaculik 6 12th Madsen 5 13th Kasprzak 4 14th Zagar 3 15th Janowski 2 16th Berntzon 1 Standings after round 6 of 11 1 Zmarzlik 101 2 Laguta 100 3 lindgren 80 4 Sayfutdinov 79 5 Janowski 72 6 Woffinden 65 7 Madsen 59 8 Fricke 52 9 Doyle 47 10 Vaculik 45 Out of interest( to me anyway ) here would be the standings under the OLD POINTS SYSTEM 1= Zmarzlik 97 1= Laguta 97 3 Sayfutdinov 68 4= Lindgren 65 4= Janowski 65 6=Woffinden 59 6= Madsen 59 8 Doyle 45 9 Fricke 44 10= Vaculik 43 10= Lambert 43 Edited August 8, 2021 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 I thought Charlie Webster did a great job in the studio. Along with the dirtometer, Kelvin now needs to introduce the shirtometer to monitor Scott's attire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 10 hours ago, HenryW said: Doyle/Swidnicki incident I am OK with. Yes, Doyle took out Swidnicki, but the decision was an unsatisfactory start due to the tapes going up unevenly, so anything that happened after that was irrelevant. Don't watch it live so I can whizz through the prattle. Didn't realise it was deemed unsatisfactory start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 Who is first reserve if Vaculik is out of the GPS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, eric i said: Who is first reserve if Vaculik is out of the GPS? Loktaev of the Ukraine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) The starts need to be looked at with riders from gates 1 & 4 often arrowing themselves to the other side of the track. The FIM regulatoions read 70.10,5 bikes should be parallel to the inner edge. Maybe if this regulation was applied we would not have seen Ht 12 take so long & Martin Vaculik would be fit to race at Mallila. All in all it was a poor display from one of the sports most senior Referees Edited August 8, 2021 by Technik add on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 7 hours ago, keepturningleft said: I thought Charlie Webster did a great job in the studio. Along with the dirtometer, Kelvin now needs to introduce the shirtometer to monitor Scott's attire. £90 each those shirts ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Technik said: starts need to be looked at with riders from gatThe es 1 & 4 often arrowing themselves to the other side of the track. The FIM regulatoions read 70.10,5 bikes should be parallel to the inner edge. Maybe if this regulation was applied we would not have seen Ht 12 take so long & Martin Vaculik would be fit to race at Mallila. All in all it was a poor display from one of the sports most senior Referees I know a few have said Freddie should have been excluded for causing come togethers at the start But as I see it, the race with Laguta on gate 1 and Freddie on 2, Laguta immediatley pulled to the right. If Freddie had gone for the corner there would have been a clash causing even more mayhem. By Freddie staying straight for a bit longer it saved the day, until the other two moved across and chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 How come there was a debate about the Zmarzlik Fricke finish? Don't the bikes have transponders on them? They were giving the race times for all riders down to a thousandth of a second 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 That was what Kelvin said; had they had the transponders now, it wouldn't have been an issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 9:25 PM, Falubaz said: Yet it wasn't Lindgren fault? In my opinion Lindgren is responsible for this crash and injury to Vaculik. Now and then he takes too many risks the way he is riding. Spectacular but dangerous. We want spectacular racing not crashes and injuries …. It seems that FL doesn‘t care much about the other riders. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 8, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, iainb said: How come there was a debate about the Zmarzlik Fricke finish? Don't the bikes have transponders on them? They were giving the race times for all riders down to a thousandth of a second The transponders were primarily used for the qualifying comp- as that hasn`t happened in 2020 and 21 they are now probably not fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 hours ago, iainb said: How come there was a debate about the Zmarzlik Fricke finish? Don't the bikes have transponders on them? They were giving the race times for all riders down to a thousandth of a second I was under the impression that they do have them. Isn’t that how they know whether a rider is on their A, B or C bike for the graphics before each heat ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 That's what I thought too... that and the fact that they're timing all riders to the thousandth of a second. If it's not a transponder the timekeeper must be on speed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwent Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, iainb said: That's what I thought too... that and the fact that they're timing all riders to the thousandth of a second. If it's not a transponder the timekeeper must be on speed! Yeah I think Tatum was wrong. Although of course transponders don’t necessarily tell you who has finished ahead. It is theoretically possible for a rider to actually be beaten technically (ie his wheel doesn’t touch the line first) but have a quicker time than the other guy in a tight finish and be awarded the placing. It’s possible for someone to be finishing faster than someone else and although his wheel isn’t first to the line his transponder could cross the line first if he’s accelerating quicker. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Derwent said: Yeah I think Tatum was wrong. Although of course transponders don’t necessarily tell you who has finished ahead. It is theoretically possible for a rider to actually be beaten technically (ie his wheel doesn’t touch the line first) but have a quicker time than the other guy in a tight finish and be awarded the placing. It’s possible for someone to be finishing faster than someone else and although his wheel isn’t first to the line his transponder could cross the line first if he’s accelerating quicker. Good point, obscure but a good point none the less... I think you should be able to calculate it with an algorithm though, if you know the distance of the transponder to the front wheel and factor in the speed and length of the track, but I'm no mathematician lol How do they work anyway? Do you know? Edited August 8, 2021 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 interesting what sam masters said its like watching drag racing i have lost a lot of interest in the gp this season quite boring 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasp Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 15 hours ago, Derwent said: £90 each those shirts ! Cheap as chips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 Interesting comment on Sayfutdinov‘s Facebook site „get well quick Martin Vaculik“. From Mr. Lindgren so far no comment at all …..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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