Trees Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Absolutely ridiculous have a rider riding for multi teams. At this moment in time it is clear that there are a) too many teams or b) not enough riders. It’s a complete farce to have a rider riding for multiple teams in the same week. For sure there may be instances when an injury means a rider stands in for another, but it should be very short term, and certainly not one particular riding for multiple times in a week. Doesn’t look like it will be sorted this side of the total collapse of British speedway. So a rider racing for a team in England, Denmark, Sweden and Poland is wrong? This year aside, haven't riders been doing that for years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 5 hours ago, Trees said: So a rider racing for a team in England, Denmark, Sweden and Poland is wrong? This year aside, haven't riders been doing that for years? With all due respect, isn’t this thread about the failing of British Speedway? If a rider goes with international teams as well as UK that’s fine with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 15 hours ago, Trees said: Instead my team race on our race night for my team, all I ask is 100% to my team on that night....... I like to see how they get on for other teams but all I really care about is what they do for Lynn Is Speedway about the Team or the Riders? or both? Would you be happy if you didn't know the identity of a rider in the race... Why limit a rider from riding for another team to matches? How about a rider can switch teams mid meeting just as long as they're wearing your teams race jacket? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 37 minutes ago, iainb said: Is Speedway about the Team or the Riders? or both? Would you be happy if you didn't know the identity of a rider in the race... Why limit a rider from riding for another team to matches? How about a rider can switch teams mid meeting just as long as they're wearing your teams race jacket? Could it really get to that ridiculous situation in British speedway? Probably. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: Could it really get to that ridiculous situation in British speedway? Probably. Just what I was thinking as I was typing it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 42 minutes ago, iainb said: Is Speedway about the Team or the Riders? or both? Would you be happy if you didn't know the identity of a rider in the race... Why limit a rider from riding for another team to matches? How about a rider can switch teams mid meeting just as long as they're wearing your teams race jacket? This has kind of happened already at double header meetings where a rider has appeared for both his own team & then guested for the other visiting team in match 2. Also don't forget the ko cup final a few years ago where Scott Nicholls rode for both Ipswich & Sheffield. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 56 minutes ago, iainb said: Is Speedway about the Team or the Riders? or both? Would you be happy if you didn't know the identity of a rider in the race... Why limit a rider from riding for another team to matches? How about a rider can switch teams mid meeting just as long as they're wearing your teams race jacket? Perfectly feasible, six riders riding as pairs, for home and away teams. They only need to change helmet colours. The promoters could save eight riders travelling costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 I’m surprised the 4 team events seem to have lost favour back in the day there was always these in the calendar at most tracks. Rayleigh Romford Canterbury and Eastbourne drew big crowds and lots of rivalry - all gone now of course. You get a full meeting of racing matching riders of similar abilities. Might they be used to reduce costs and rider availability becomes even more acute especially at the Premier league level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 4 hours ago, GWC said: I’m surprised the 4 team events seem to have lost favour back in the day there was always these in the calendar at most tracks. Rayleigh Romford Canterbury and Eastbourne drew big crowds and lots of rivalry - all gone now of course. You get a full meeting of racing matching riders of similar abilities. Might they be used to reduce costs and rider availability becomes even more acute especially at the Premier league level. How can four team events save costs and rider availability when you are using more riders? That's why the 4TT was dropped in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, topsoil said: How can four team events save costs and rider availability when you are using more riders? That's why the 4TT was dropped in the first place. I think he is stating the fact that they were local derby’s and attracted decent attendances,just as the old National League regional fixtures did.There again that was the days when most Clubs had decent attendances. Edited September 2, 2021 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 8 hours ago, iainb said: Is Speedway about the Team or the Riders? or both? Would you be happy if you didn't know the identity of a rider in the race... Why limit a rider from riding for another team to matches? How about a rider can switch teams mid meeting just as long as they're wearing your teams race jacket? You say that but with team suits many fans find it very hard to know one rider from another, to a new fan it's probs all about the team colours so it could happen and some fans would be none the wiser and they wouldn't bat an eyelid! The promoters could really produce a show For us old timers ..... ermmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, iainb said: Is Speedway about the Team or the Riders? or both? Would you be happy if you didn't know the identity of a rider in the race... Why limit a rider from riding for another team to matches? How about a rider can switch teams mid meeting just as long as they're wearing your teams race jacket? Two Swindon riders were going to swap sides at "Half Time" of the Div One Play Off Final a few seasons ago.. Swindon hadn't qualified for the final either..... Edited September 2, 2021 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman72 Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 7:59 PM, Trees said: It's a VERY dangerous sport, what do you suggest? Using juniors? Fans would 100% NOT BE HAPPY with that! There are plenty of riders who have the equipment to race and I'd be happy to watch UK riders cut their teeth. Riders have to start somewhere. I suppose after you've parted with your hard earned dosh you might feel used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Pieman72 said: There are plenty of riders who have the equipment to race and I'd be happy to watch UK riders cut their teeth. Riders have to start somewhere. I suppose after you've parted with your hard earned dosh you might feel used. You might but this post was in regards to top men being replaced by juniors in a league meeting if injured .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1974 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman72 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) Sad isn't it Sports Stadiums and Pubs are easy prey for greedy housebuilders and property speculators. Cradley Heath was a very nasty one and Grabbats cost the council a fortune in legal fees. It was an iconic stadium with world class riders but still they won. Going to Cradley was an experience not to be missed and never to be repeated. Saturday nights are for take away's now as if we're not fat enough already. Edited September 3, 2021 by Pieman72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesHarris Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Basic question here but what do the Poles, Swedes and even Danes do different to us? What can we learn from them? I know there will be some obvious answers but if Speedway is ever going to return to it's glory days in the UK, we have to start looking into why it is so successful in other countries. Of cause to do so the dinosaurs that run the BSPL would have to start living in 2021 instead of 1971. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 On 9/1/2021 at 6:03 PM, OveFundinFan said: Doesn’t look like it will be sorted this side of the total collapse of British speedway. A Nero job then? Many were fiddling ( around ) while Rome burned! We have only only the above to look forward to - before the possiblity of better might arise from the cinders ( and ashes ). Can we put together 10 teams with NO doubling up for next year? Because that is very likely Step 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman72 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Something will rise from the ashes. There is still a lot of interest in Grasstrack and Speedway and there is an opportunity to wean ourselves off foreign riders. Traditionally a lot of tracks ran on Friday and Saturday the transition to midweek racing has been the demise of British League Racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Pieman72 said: Something will rise from the ashes. There is still a lot of interest in Grasstrack and Speedway and there is an opportunity to wean ourselves off foreign riders. Traditionally a lot of tracks ran on Friday and Saturday the transition to midweek racing has been the demise of British League Racing. If racing in UK was regularly Fri and Sat nights it means riders could (not a must) have a 4 day job Mon-Thurs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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