Apollo Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Speedway will not be professional in the near future - but may be saved by volunteers ,,!!! And money at the gate re- growing clubs and the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Fans lead - wake up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 A professional division of 12 clubs with full time riders is probably where we need to be and secure the sport here. Having 3 different leagues isn’t doing the sport any good with clubs struggling and over extending themselves financially - Eastbourne - Newcastle - Birmingham and a few more. The BSPL to have total control of the clubs and the buck stops with them to make it pay and work. Limits on spending on equipment with engines restricted with limiters. The sport contracted before (1957 - 60) when faced with disappearing crowds and tracks closing down so it needs to restructure to survive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) On 8/28/2021 at 2:06 PM, Pieman72 said: Just watching the World Longtrack Championship from Poland talk about sorted or what and Zach Wajtknecht is superb? Speedway is suffering from the British disease living in the past, we've been doing it for the last 50 years and it works ok. We managed to crash both the motorcycle and car industries into the wall and Speedway is following the same tracks. RIP British Speedway. i watched that too. A poor advert for Longtrack, shouldn't be run on a Speedway track IMO. FIM is trying to introduce Poland to Longtrack, but I don't think that's the way and judging by the tiny crowd it's not working. I doubt Zach was happy with 7 points from a possible 20 in the heats. Edited August 29, 2021 by Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman72 Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 I agree it's a track for speedway bikes and 18" tyres. I noticed it was very deep. Zach did well to win one race. It was very well presented better than Kings Lynn which looks like a builders yard. I wish we had a track of that stature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 Look at the Ipswich v Peterborough match this coming Thursday for another example why this sport is going down the shutter! Peterborough come to town operating rider replacement & tracking 2 guests due to injuries picked up by their riders while doubling up in the championship, how long is this madness going to go on for??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 14 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Look at the Ipswich v Peterborough match this coming Thursday for another example why this sport is going down the shutter! Peterborough come to town operating rider replacement & tracking 2 guests due to injuries picked up by their riders while doubling up in the championship, how long is this madness going to go on for??? As long as just about enough punters keep colluding with the promoters that it's a proper sporting competition they run, and turn up to watch it.. There are though thousands more who could possibly go back to it regularly if they stopped the nonsense.. But I suppose we shall never know for certain if that is the case, as stopping the nonsense will never happen.. Because they are too good at it now after so many years of experience.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 53 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Look at the Ipswich v Peterborough match this coming Thursday for another example why this sport is going down the shutter! Peterborough come to town operating rider replacement & tracking 2 guests due to injuries picked up by their riders while doubling up in the championship, how long is this madness going to go on for??? It's a VERY dangerous sport, what do you suggest? Using juniors? Fans would 100% NOT BE HAPPY with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Trees said: It's a VERY dangerous sport, what do you suggest? Using juniors? Fans would 100% NOT BE HAPPY with that! It is a very dangerous sport however those in charge are far more dangerous in the fact they have run the sport into the ground with decades of mismanagement. And even as the sport is drawing it's final breath's they won't allow anyone to administer a different treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: It is a very dangerous sport however those in charge are far more dangerous in the fact they have run the sport into the ground with decades of mismanagement. And even as the sport is drawing it's final breath's they won't allow anyone to administer a different treatment. I think the way BV have signed NBJ is the way forward.. Have a rider out through injury then sign a lower averaged rider to replace him for 'x' weeks.. Say 21 days minimum, and even if the injured rider is back fit he has to sit out 21 days so as to ensure no manipulation of any injury situation takes place. Using a rider either not in this country currently or from a lower league.. Or sort out a fit for purpose RR facility that doesnt mean your No1 for example has to be replaced by riders third and fourth in the averages.. Ultimately though, if a meeting becomes a bit 'Mickey Mouse' if ran, then dont run it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, Trees said: It's a VERY dangerous sport, what do you suggest? Using juniors? Fans would 100% NOT BE HAPPY with that! Perhaps pre season every club can pick two riders from a division lower up to a combined average to be thier guests that season. Usual rules apply so can only cover riders averaged above them. Bit like a mini squad system. Obviously 100's of flaws to be considered (although normally not) but least it would give a bit of affiliations to the stand in riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Perhaps pre season every club can pick two riders from a division lower up to a combined average to be thier guests that season. Usual rules apply so can only cover riders averaged above them. Bit like a mini squad system. Obviously 100's of flaws to be considered (although normally not) but least it would give a bit of affiliations to the stand in riders. Give ya that, but if your number one and two are missing everyone will be happy with these lower division riders as replacements? Absolutely nobody would be happy, it would be a definite loss!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: It is a very dangerous sport however those in charge are far more dangerous in the fact they have run the sport into the ground with decades of mismanagement. And even as the sport is drawing it's final breath's they won't allow anyone to administer a different treatment. How many people are coming up with the readies to buy out all the clubs? Are you? Go for it, invest!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, Trees said: How many people are coming up with the readies to buy out all the clubs? Are you? Go for it, invest!! I may have done in the 80s and the 90s when clubs had assets that were worth something the riders. Today because of the crazy rules in operation those assets are now worthless. Just out of interest I wonder what the valuation is of the BSPL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattB Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 39 minutes ago, Trees said: How many people are coming up with the readies to buy out all the clubs? Are you? Go for it, invest!! Absolutely. I love the sport, but even if I had millions of pounds in the bank, I would not entertain investing a penny of it into British Speedway in its current operating model. I'd may as well go into out the back garden, light a fire and spend the evening tossing fifty pound notes onto it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 59 minutes ago, Trees said: How many people are coming up with the readies to buy out all the clubs? Are you? Go for it, invest!! If the sports business model was designed to make money, promoters would come forward. While it doesn’t make money, expect more tracks to disappear under houses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Look at the Ipswich v Peterborough match this coming Thursday for another example why this sport is going down the shutter! Peterborough come to town operating rider replacement & tracking 2 guests due to injuries picked up by their riders while doubling up in the championship, how long is this madness going to go on for??? In fairness jordan palin is our rider was signed to scunthorpe first so can't see any problem with that if Peterborough wanted to they could of used another rising star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: I may have done in the 80s and the 90s when clubs had assets that were worth something the riders. Today because of the crazy rules in operation those assets are now worthless. Just out of interest I wonder what the valuation is of the BSPL As it’s just a group of individuals running a sport from a rented office with no real assets to speak of, then I would say very ,very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 7 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: In fairness jordan palin is our rider was signed to scunthorpe first so can't see any problem with that if Peterborough wanted to they could of used another rising star I think you're missing my point. Riders being employed by multiple clubs through the out of control doubling up rule is another reason the sport isn't taken seriously & lacks any form of credibility outside of the ever shrinking speedway bubble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 10 hours ago, MattB said: Absolutely. I love the sport, but even if I had millions of pounds in the bank, I would not entertain investing a penny of it into British Speedway in its current operating model. I'd may as well go into out the back garden, light a fire and spend the evening tossing fifty pound notes onto it. If you bought all the stadiums and all the promoters out you'd have a free hand to do exactly what you like to make British speedway a rich sport ..... You would be the "Barry Hearn" of speedway lol. So you don't think league racing is the way to go? Club days ala Aussie wouldn't work here, a few fun days ala IOW wouldn't work from March to October, every other country sticks to league racing so I'm at a loss. The only other thing would be your millions could get it on TV more, which could potentially Bering in big sponsorship and so on ...... Shame you haven't got those millions ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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