IainB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Crump99 said: So basically you like to sit at the EoES for an hour, look at a load of people staring at the track doing nothing, be thanked for your patience and then sent home again with your ticket and blank programme? That's what the forecast suggested. The call wasn't just based on the forecast alone, albeit what turned out to be an incorrect one, but additionally "Club staff have already pumped over 150 tonnes of water off the circuit following Friday’s deluge" - It might be summer but it ain't no 76 and when the riders got to look at it then I'm not sure that 72 hours non-drying time would have been enough for them to want to race on it. Would it have been called off if the weather forecast had predicted the weather that actually arrived? If yes, then fair enough... but why bring the forecast into it? Edited July 13, 2021 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Just now, iainb said: Would it have been called off if the weather forecast had predicted the weather that actually arrived? Personally I think that it was in doubt from Friday evening so I wouldn't have been surprised if it was called off irrespective of the forecast. I think I've lost the point you're trying to make though. They had to make a call on the circumstances and information they had. So based on that it was correct decision. So you're saying that if you were paying the bills and doing the organisation you'd have waited until Monday (you've got until lunchtime I believe before losing your money), ignored the forecast and hoped that no unexpected showers crop up between 12 & 7.30 to further dampen you're already sodden circuit? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Crump99 said: Personally I think that it was in doubt from Friday evening so I wouldn't have been surprised if it was called off irrespective of the forecast. I think I've lost the point you're trying to make though. They had to make a call on the circumstances and information they had. So based on that it was correct decision. So you're saying that if you were paying the bills and doing the organisation you'd have waited until Monday (you've got until lunchtime I believe before losing your money), ignored the forecast and hoped that no unexpected showers crop up between 12 & 7.30 to further dampen you're already sodden circuit? So, it was the correct decision... but the wrong decision, OK. You run, until you can't. First rule of show business, the show MUST go on. If they were going to call it off based on Friday nights rain... just say so, don't bring the forecast into it or in future you get the fans second guessing what the forecast is going to be... which can quite often differ depending on which website/app you're looking at. Edited July 13, 2021 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, iainb said: Was pretty sure he was going round in the tractor in the previous Sheffield match He was there whether on tractor I am not sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, iainb said: So, it was the correct decision... but the wrong decision, OK. You run, until you can't. First rule of show business, the show MUST go on. If they were going to call it off based on Friday nights rain... just say so, don't bring the forecast into it or in future you get the fans second guessing what the forecast is going to be... which can quite often differ depending on which website/app you're looking at. For reasons explained by others meetings especially at EOES are not called of lightly if for no other reason that re staging availability is always a problem. Personally I would rather it were called off early so I did not have have a wasted journey. Far better that what has happened the past at some tracks where they claim its not raining and all ok, only to get there to find meeting called off and it had been raining all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, wealdstone said: Far better that what has happened the past at some tracks where they claim its not raining and all ok, only to get there to find meeting called off and it had been raining all day. Hmm... I'm glad you brought that up because it reminds me that in the last Sheffield match they posted on twitter that the match was on, a number of people were asking what the weather was like and whoever does the Twitter just ignored what the fans were asking. That's why I was so shocked when I got there to see the meeting in serious danger of being cancelled because of "visibility" issues. Nobody likes wasted journey's but I prefer to watch my speedway on a sunny summer's evening rather than a cold wet October one. We all know in this country the weather forecast is only good for the upcoming few hours. Like you say dates are limited at the EoEA which makes the decision to cancel that early all the more puzzling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, iainb said: Hmm... I'm glad you brought that up because it reminds me that in the last Sheffield match they posted on twitter that the match was on, a number of people were asking what the weather was like and whoever does the Twitter just ignored what the fans were asking. That's why I was so shocked when I got there to see the meeting in serious danger of being cancelled because of "visibility" issues. Nobody likes wasted journey's but I prefer to watch my speedway on a sunny summer's evening rather than a cold wet October one. We all know in this country the weather forecast is only good for the upcoming few hours. Like you say dates are limited at the EoEA which makes the decision to cancel that early all the more puzzling. Not puzzling at all if you were driving in the Peterborough area Friday evening/Saturday morning trying to avoid all the flooding - see PeterboroughToday website for their coverage - I knew then it was obvious we would be in trouble as I’m sure many other Panthers fans living in the area did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, maneacat said: Not puzzling at all if you were driving in the Peterborough area Friday evening/Saturday morning trying to avoid all the flooding - see PeterboroughToday website for their coverage - I knew then it was obvious we would be in trouble as I’m sure many other Panthers fans living in the area did. I don't doubt there was rain Friday/Saturday. All I'm asking is if the forecast was for what the weather turned out to be would they have not postponed it? Why bring forecasts into it? I went out for a walk this morning, the forecast told me the sun was shining... I had to return home after 5 minutes to get my coat as it started to rain... I made the wrong decision leaving the home without a coat. It looks like it's going to be a successful season for Peterborough, so I hope they don't run out of dates at the end of the year when they could have possibly been running on sunny summer nights Edited July 13, 2021 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, iainb said: So, it was the correct decision... but the wrong decision, OK. You run, until you can't. First rule of show business, the show MUST go on. If they were going to call it off based on Friday nights rain... just say so, don't bring the forecast into it or in future you get the fans second guessing what the forecast is going to be... which can quite often differ depending on which website/app you're looking at. No it was the correct decision end of. You wouldn't be happy with a straight call off on Sunday, you'd want weather and temperature charts from Friday evening. You've already questioned summer drying time. The forecast they had, which is no doubt the one that they use and trust, said rain on this occasion. It matters not that someone else can find something different. If you're not paying the bills or doing the work then it is easy to say that the show must go on but you might have been of different mind if you were. The press release was fine and to add in the forecast (as they knew it) was also ok. You're just arguing for the sake of it now so I'll bid you good day! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Crump99 said: No it was the correct decision end of. You wouldn't be happy with a straight call off on Sunday, you'd want weather and temperature charts from Friday evening. You've already questioned summer drying time. The forecast they had, which is no doubt the one that they use and trust, said rain on this occasion. It matters not that someone else can find something different. If you're not paying the bills or doing the work then it is easy to say that the show must go on but you might have been of different mind if you were. The press release was fine and to add in the forecast (as they knew it) was also ok. You're just arguing for the sake of it now so I'll bid you good day! Good day... you've seen the forecast Edited July 13, 2021 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, iainb said: Good day... you've seen the forecast I've got a spare Costa voucher if you want it, seems you could do with it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, iainb said: Thanks for your kind words... Would the match have been postponed if the weather forecasted for Monday have been no rain and sunshine? Because according to the website it was called off on the basis of the forecast. Quote from the website (the track) "will not take any more extensive rainfall." Can you give your parents a call and ask them if there was anymore extensive rainfall? In years gone by a promotion would do everything they could to put a match on, these days it looks as though they're looking for excuses to call it off if they can. Not just limited to the Peterborough promotion, yet year after year clubs run until the end of October on non race nights, sometimes running double headers, in a rush to get the fixtures completed. As I've said before, if you're going to run this sport based on weather forecasts you may as well not run at all in this country. It’s completely frustrating for everyone whom meetings are postponed for the club, it’s riders and supporters, I do have some experience of trying to get race days at the Showground and it’s not as easy as it used to be because of other events on those weeks and health & safety issues which affect whether speedway can run alongside other events, mostly they cannot. The track had clearly taken an excessive amount of rain on Friday and even getting it on having had no more would be have been a major task but the forecast was dreadful and quite rightly and likely to save considerable expense if nothing else the decision to try and run was correctly declined. In years gone by Promotions were not required to pay the full cost of renting the stadium and travel costs for riders and officials including flights etc if matches were postponed late but those days are gone and they now are which clearly comes into the equation. I dare say if you ran Peterborough Speedway things would be different but thankfully you are not and this way no one is unnecessarily inconvenienced other than you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, iainb said: I don't doubt there was rain Friday/Saturday. All I'm asking is if the forecast was for what the weather turned out to be would they have not postponed it? Why bring forecasts into it? I went out for a walk this morning, the forecast told me the sun was shining... I had to return home after 5 minutes to get my coat as it started to rain... I made the wrong decision leaving the home without a coat. It looks like it's going to be a successful season for Peterborough, so I hope they don't run out of dates at the end of the year when they could have possibly been running on sunny summer nights As a Farmer’s wife I totally understand any business following the Forecasts - it’s what we do 24/7. 365 days per year. It just becomes part and parcel of daily life - part of calculating what we do or don’t do each day - the other thing not mentioned which we follow (not sure about the Eoes but they may do so) is the Water Table - this year is exceptional and first time in over 30 years that we are not irrigating any crops and it’s the MIDDLE OF JULY - this a job that has usually been going on for weeks by this time of the summer. I doubt its hardly any different for Buster & Co so my feeling is that they made the right call - I would actually have been shocked if it had been on! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: no one is unnecessarily inconvenienced other than you. I was absolutely not inconvenienced in the slightest, all I was doing was questioning the wisdom in postponing a meeting based on a weather forecast that was 36 in advance of the event. People seem to be reading a lot more into it that is actually the case. 4 minutes ago, maneacat said: As a Farmer’s wife I totally understand any business following the Forecasts - it’s what we do 24/7. 365 days per year. It just becomes part and parcel of daily life - part of calculating what we do or don’t do each day - the other thing not mentioned which we follow (not sure about the Eoes but they may do so) is the Water Table - this year is exceptional and first time in over 30 years that we are not irrigating any crops and it’s the MIDDLE OF JULY - this a job that has usually been going on for weeks by this time of the summer. I doubt its hardly any different for Buster & Co so my feeling is that they made the right call - I would actually have been shocked if it had been on! I hope you don't seed based on the weather forecasts or we'd be in a state of famine in this country Have you seen the Clarkson series on his farm... an excellent piece of TV and a real eye opener for the uneducated like myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: It’s completely frustrating for everyone whom meetings are postponed for the club, it’s riders and supporters, I do have some experience of trying to get race days at the Showground and it’s not as easy as it used to be because of other events on those weeks and health & safety issues which affect whether speedway can run alongside other events, mostly they cannot. The track had clearly taken an excessive amount of rain on Friday and even getting it on having had no more would be have been a major task but the forecast was dreadful and quite rightly and likely to save considerable expense if nothing else the decision to try and run was correctly declined. In years gone by Promotions were not required to pay the full cost of renting the stadium and travel costs for riders and officials including flights etc if matches were postponed late but those days are gone and they now are which clearly comes into the equation. I dare say if you ran Peterborough Speedway things would be different but thankfully you are not and this way no one is unnecessarily inconvenienced other than you. Yet more intelligent background from someone who has been involved with the Club. A postponement decision is never taken lightly, as has been explained, but once it is made there is no going back. All 'iainb's comments are made with the benefit of 100% hindsight - wouldn't that be a valuable tool in a Promoter's toolbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: A postponement decision is never taken lightly, as has been explained, but once it is made there is no going back. All 'iainb's comments are made with the benefit of 100% hindsight - wouldn't that be a valuable tool in a Promoter's toolbox. Well, that's the chance you take when basing decisions on forecasts instead of what is actually happening. And your track record as a "promoter" isn't exactly brilliant. Number of clubs I have closed down? Nil Edited July 13, 2021 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, iainb said: Well, that's the chance you take when basing decisions on forecasts instead of what is actually happening. And your track record as a "promoter" isn't exactly brilliant. Number of clubs I have closed down? Nil Personal insults eh? maybe get your facts right. Number of Clubs I have shut down? Exactly zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 5 hours ago, NeilWatson said: It’s a while since I’ve read so much puerile rubbish in one post. 4 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Number of Clubs I have shut down? Exactly zero See you at Brandon on Friday then... oh hang on a minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Just now, iainb said: See you at Brandon on Friday then... oh hang on a minute... I left Coventry at the end of the 2017 season to go back to Peterborough as Promoter. In any event Coventry shut because the stadium was made unavailable by the Landlord… Puerile and ignorant… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: I left Coventry at the end of the 2017 season to go back to Peterborough as Promoter. In any event Coventry shut because the stadium was made unavailable by the Landlord… Puerile and ignorant… Being co-promoter and part custodian of the Coventry name at the point the club closed you have arguably done more to ruin Speedway in this country than any other man with the exception of Mick Horton... so I'll take no lessons on how a club should be run from you. In case you need your memory jogging: https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/speedway/coventry-bees-speedway-team-sale-12666571? Just search for "Watson" you actually get a couple of mentions Edited July 13, 2021 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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