GP rounds 3 and 4 Wroclaw Fri/Sat 30th/31st July live on BT Sport

[HenryW]

39 minutes ago, Pinny said:

The points system is an absolute farce and I have no idea why they changed it on what it was before. Why do the powers that be constantly tinker with things that need not be changed?

Not sure I like the two GPs at one track over a weekend either.

I actually like the 2 GP weekends, especially if I am travelling to a GP...Getting to see 2 meetings instead of just 1 for the travel costs is great.

As for the points, obviously riders treat things differently due to the points system, which is my main issue with the current one, but if the old points system was in place this year, rather than being joint leader, Janowski would be 7 points down on the leader Laguta. Zmarzlik would still be 3 points points down on the lead but 4 ahead of Janowski. Anything that pushes Janowski down the standings is good with me 

As you said, the system where every point from every race counted seemed a much better system for me. I understand that it can lead to strange anomalies, like happened in the SEC this year...Leon Madsen results: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st. Mikkel Michelsen results 4th, 5th, 1st, 2nd....and yet Mikkel won. That DOES look really odd to see, but I still prefer every race point counting.

[Pinny]

1 hour ago, HenryW said:

I actually like the 2 GP weekends, especially if I am travelling to a GP...Getting to see 2 meetings instead of just 1 for the travel costs is great.

As for the points, obviously riders treat things differently due to the points system, which is my main issue with the current one, but if the old points system was in place this year, rather than being joint leader, Janowski would be 7 points down on the leader Laguta. Zmarzlik would still be 3 points points down on the lead but 4 ahead of Janowski. Anything that pushes Janowski down the standings is good with me 

As you said, the system where every point from every race counted seemed a much better system for me. I understand that it can lead to strange anomalies, like happened in the SEC this year...Leon Madsen results: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st. Mikkel Michelsen results 4th, 5th, 1st, 2nd....and yet Mikkel won. That DOES look really odd to see, but I still prefer every race point counting.

You have a good point. I just find it wrong that so many races will now be worthless where as before every point was crucial.

Also your point about seeing two GPs in one weekend is definitely understandable, I just preferred it with a bigger variation of tracks and countries but I suppose with COVID that isn't possible. You would hope, though, things will return to usual when and if this virus blows over.

[OveFundinFan]

I am ok with 2 gp’s in a weekend, but I could easily change my view if a rider couldn’t compete the 2nd night due to injury. That could have happened at Wroclaw with Emils second accident. He must be badly bruised but it could have been much worse.               
Points system, still wavering between the two systems. Current system gives a chance to someone who suffered an engine failure a chance to do really well - I like that.

The race between Fricke and Doyle was very intense, loved it.

Madsen, four years ago I thought he was just a fast starter, but now appreciate he is a racer that will mix it as well as being a good gater.  As for Laguta, he is just a fast starter, put him in the mix and he pulls out. Would be bad for him to be world champ.

Edited August 1, 2021 by OveFundinFan

[racers and royals]

Official result for Saturday’s GP and current standings.

1 Zmarzlik 20

2 Laguta 18

3 Madsen 16

4 Woffinden 14

5 Sayfutdinov 12

6 Fricke 11

7 Janowski 10

8 Lambert 9

9 Lindgren 8

10 Doyle 7

11 Vaculik 6

12 Chugunov 5

13 Thomsen 4

14 Berntzon 3

15 Zagar 2

16 Kasprzak 1

Standings

1= Janowski and Laguta  66

3rd Zmarzlik 63

4th Sayfutdinov 58

5th Lindgren 50

6th= Woffinden and Madsen 44

8th Vaculik 34

9th Fricke 33

10th Doyle 28

11th Lambert 27

12th Thomsen 27

13th Zagar 17

14th Berntzon 8

15th Kasprzak 7

 

[bigcatdiary]

Round 4 was much better with some very good racing, nice to see Tai have a good night but he certainly picked the wrong gate for the final.

I must be honest and say I prefer the 2 GP weekends, much better value for supporters.

[NeilWatson]

2 hours ago, racers and royals said:

Standings

1= Janowski and Laguta  66

 

SGP website shows Janowski first and Laguta second, presumably by virtue of Janowski having a lower GP number?

 

[racers and royals]

8 minutes ago, NeilWatson said:

SGP website shows Janowski first and Laguta second, presumably by virtue of Janowski having a lower GP number?

 

Yes they have also split Woffinden and Madsen- i refused to do that at this stage of the season 

[waiheke1]

2 hours ago, OveFundinFan said:

I am ok with 2 gp’s in a weekend, but I could easily change my view if a rider couldn’t compete the 2nd night due to injury. That could have happened at Wroclaw with Emils second accident. He must be badly bruised but it could have been much worse.               
Points system, still wavering between the two systems. Current system gives a chance to someone who suffered an engine failure a chance to do really well - I like that.

Under the old system you could have five wins and an engine failure in the semi and end with 15 points 

In this system you could have five wins and an engine failure and end with nine points.

This system is far more likely to punish you for one bad ride 

[norbold]

The top seven riders are some way ahead of the others at the moment, and I don't just mean in points. Six qualify for next year's GP, but we know that whoever comes seventh will get a pick as well, so it kind of devalues the fight for sixth place.

Of course there is still time for Doyle, Vaculik, Fricke and Lambert to prove this wrong but my guess is they won't. However, the real fight is on for them to prove they are worthy of a pick next year by finishing eighth, which, more or less, takes us back to the top eight automatically qualifying.

[OveFundinFan]

14 minutes ago, norbold said:

The top seven riders are some way ahead of the others at the moment, and I don't just mean in points. Six qualify for next year's GP, but we know that whoever comes seventh will get a pick as well, so it kind of devalues the fight for sixth place.

Of course there is still time for Doyle, Vaculik, Fricke and Lambert to prove this wrong but my guess is they won't. However, the real fight is on for them to prove they are worthy of a pick next year by finishing eighth, which, more or less, takes us back to the top eight automatically qualifying.

But the selectors do have a choice, before they didnt.   Pros and Cons with both ways, cant satisfy everyone I suppose.

I would think we going to say goodbye to Zagar this year. I been happy with him over the years, pity he couldnt have got more out of it.

Looking at the list so far, the ones from the GP Challenge are not doing too good (Thomson the best so far) whilst Lambert (Euro champ) is doing ok (two semis in the last two rounds). We already know who the 2022 Euro Champ contender is - I wonder if the GP CHallenge will give the series 3 good ones.

[screm]

14 hours ago, r8gdp said:

Still  not a  lover of this points system .for me it devalues the heats 

I am with you, I think it was brought in to be in line with other motorsports. Personally I like that every race counts but I guess they call it progress.

[HenryW]

35 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said:

Looking at the list so far, the ones from the GP Challenge are not doing too good (Thomson the best so far) whilst Lambert (Euro champ) is doing ok (two semis in the last two rounds). We already know who the 2022 Euro Champ contender is - I wonder if the GP CHallenge will give the series 3 good ones.

Thomsen was one of the organiser wild card picks.

The riders that came from the challenge were Zagar, Kasprzak and Berntzon.

[poole keith]

15 hours ago, KeirStarmerFan said:

Semi-finals and finals show how riders react under pressure.

Woffinden bottled it tonight.

speedway riders of any ability have probably got more "bottle" in their little finger than you(indeed most if us) would have in your entire body

[IainB]

On 7/31/2021 at 9:17 PM, OGT said:

Fantastic ride from BZ in the final.

His last bend move was reminiscent of Gollob & Jimmy Nilsen.

On 8/1/2021 at 12:37 AM, Pinny said:

Not sure I like the two GPs at one track over a weekend either.

I'm not sure I like 6 of the 11 GP's being held in Poland.

[OGT]

22 minutes ago, iainb said:

I'm not sure I like 6 of the 11 GP's being held in Poland.

Me neither, roll on normality in the world. 

[chunky]

7 hours ago, iainb said:

His last bend move was reminiscent of Gollob & Jimmy Nilsen.

I'm not sure I like 6 of the 11 GP's being held in Poland.

Was it better when every World Final was held at Wembley?

[IainB]

3 minutes ago, chunky said:

Was it better when every World Final was held at Wembley?

By "every" do you mean the first 16 World Finals between 1936-1939 & 1949-1960? I'm not sure of your point?

[Lefty]

2 minutes ago, chunky said:

Was it better when every World Final was held at Wembley?

Yes, because top division league racing could then be staged on a Saturday night in the UK. Happy times visiting K Lynn, Coventry, Belle Vue, Halifax / Bradford, Swindon etc .... oh and Cradley! Without needing time off work. 

[chunky]

10 minutes ago, iainb said:

By "every" do you mean the first 16 World Finals between 1936-1939 & 1949-1960? I'm not sure of your point?

My point is that not only did it suit British speedway, British speedway fans "expected" it. Everyone was up in arms when it went to Malmo.

The thing to remember is that the world is a mess right now - and probably will be for a while to come. Would you just like to see one GP held in Poland?

As a speedway supporter, I want to see a lot of speedway. If most of it happens to take place on Poland, then so be it. They have the best riders, the best league, the best tracks, the best stadia, the best fans, and the most money...

At least we are getting a full season.

In addition, think about it; people on here complain about meetings taking too long. Would I want to travel across Europe and back for 90 minutes action? Hell, I drove to Berwick for that, and I flew to Glasgow for that! Having a full weekend really adds incentive, and gives much greater value. I'm not saying every GP should be a two-day affair, but were I still in the UK, I would be all over them...

[chunky]

20 minutes ago, Lefty said:

Yes, because top division league racing could then be staged on a Saturday night in the UK. Happy times visiting K Lynn, Coventry, Belle Vue, Halifax / Bradford, Swindon etc .... oh and Cradley! Without needing time off work. 

To quote Arthur Foggen; "then's then, and now's now".

Honestly, I still have trouble believing that we have Saturdays in summer with no bloody speedway...