Nicki P in trouble once again and potentially banned!

[BuxtonTiger]

2 hours ago, Phil The Ace said:

excluded 3 times and 3 times he shouldnt have been excluded, the ref had it in for nicki that night, 

Phil, what did NP do/not do to get his exclusions? Is the any YouTube or other footage? 

[racers and royals]

11 minutes ago, BuxtonTiger said:

Phil, what did NP do/not do to get his exclusions? Is the any YouTube or other footage? 

full meeting here https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=1147869219021705&ref=watch_permalink   heats in question are 4, 18 and 20 and i think there is some coverage to the verbal abuse of the ref. Phil the Aces words about the exclusions are his opinion only !!!

[SteveLyric2]

How strange things are.  In the context of a certain Euro football match today we are being told that all Danes are brought up as 'leaders'!!!

[solrac]

Is it likely to be a ban from just Denmark or is it further afield too?  Btw, thanks for all your Euro (Particularly Polish) info Racers & Royals, I watch a lot of it on youtube etc and your ticket info when a went to Wroclaw for a league match a few years ago was invaluable!

[BobC]

Of the three incidents, the only one I would have excluded him for was Ht18.

In Ht4, Kildemand used the old dying swan act. Known for it.

Ht20, Birkmose showed his lack of experience going into a turn. He left a gap which Nicki exploited.

I dont blame him for wanting an explanation from the referee. Maybe he went over the top, I dont know, I wasnt there.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by BobC

[racers and royals]

12 minutes ago, solrac said:

Is it likely to be a ban from just Denmark or is it further afield too?  Btw, thanks for all your Euro (Particularly Polish) info Racers & Royals, I watch a lot of it on youtube etc and your ticket info when a went to Wroclaw for a league match a few years ago was invaluable!

Worldwide- the Poles have officially stated he is banned until January.- thanks for the kind words.

[Debbi]

I have a feeling we will be seeing a new rider from Spain, Senor Pedersen! He's put on Instagram that he is en route to the Spanish embassy in Copenhagen to get an NIE number - wouldn't be the first and certainly not the last rider do get a license from another nation!

I have always liked Nicki and am not ashamed to admit it he is box office, there was a lot that went on behind the scenes during his time at Oxford that weren't pubic knowledge and this includes that he wasn't sacked but it was announced as such so that he didn't get a ban for withholding his services! I'm not defending his actions in other situations but at the end of the day Nicki in a team brings in supporters, in this day and age, that is what the sport needs! Off track I have always found him a nice guy even when not in a speedway setting he has always acknowledged us - I know of others that wouldn't give you the time of day!

[racers and royals]

12 minutes ago, Debbi said:

I have a feeling we will be seeing a new rider from Spain, Senor Pedersen! He's put on Instagram that he is en route to the Spanish embassy in Copenhagen to get an NIE number - wouldn't be the first and certainly not the last rider do get a license from another nation!

I have always liked Nicki and am not ashamed to admit it he is box office, there was a lot that went on behind the scenes during his time at Oxford that weren't pubic knowledge and this includes that he wasn't sacked but it was announced as such so that he didn't get a ban for withholding his services! I'm not defending his actions in other situations but at the end of the day Nicki in a team brings in supporters, in this day and age, that is what the sport needs! Off track I have always found him a nice guy even when not in a speedway setting he has always acknowledged us - I know of others that wouldn't give you the time of day!

He can become North Korean if he wants- still won’t alter the fact that he is banned worldwide until January, unless he appeals which he is entitled to do.

[Debbi]

3 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

He can become North Korean if he wants- still won’t alter the fact that he is banned worldwide until January, unless he appeals which he is entitled to do.

Cheers, I assumed that it would only be a DMU licence that would be affected and if you took out another under a different nationality then fair game!

[topaz325]

If talking back to the ref in football was applied there would only be the Goal keepers left playing.

[SPEEDY69]

Having viewed the races (thanks Racers & Royals) I think only the first one (heat 4) was his fault.  He took Kildemand by surprise clearly and he did do a bit of a Pawlicki and came down easily but there looked to be some contact (and Pedersen himself has done this many times as well when passed on the inside, particularly on the first turn).

But, he definitely did not deserve to be exclude for heat 18 and 20.  There was clear space and for heat 18, they went into the bend side by side and the rider on the outside should have known they'd run out of room.  His questioning of the ref was justified but not knowing what he said then I cannot comment on the ban being deserved or not.

It did always get people energised though when a rider remonstrated with the ref, whether on the phone or in person and as not as no serious threats are made I don't see the harm in that.  I remember McEnroe in tennis using some choice language towards umpires/camera operators and other 'officials' which made him box office also. 

[f-s-p]

35 minutes ago, Debbi said:

Cheers, I assumed that it would only be a DMU licence that would be affected and if you took out another under a different nationality then fair game!

One season, one license. As a Dane for him to get a Spanish license, he needs DMU permission. Cant see that happening at the moment.

[stevehone]

21 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said:

My favourite  "vist to the refs box" was a young Martin Goodwin at Hackney .....who managed to smash a pane of glass in the refs box with his crash hat .  He was lucky he made it back to the pits surrounded as he was by booing Hackney Fans. Gave us all a good laughat the time.  

i was going to mention this too 

 

Buster climbing up to clean the ref window too is another

Edited July 7, 2021 by stevehone

[speedwaysliders]

6 minutes ago, stevehone said:

i was going to mention this too 

 

Buster climbing up to clean the ref window too is another

I remember that but i thought it was Gordon Kennett,but my i cant rember yesterday.But a lot of fun in those days with Andy Galvin even if he wasnt involved in a race ,would always be in the thick of things with handbags flying machanic always by his side to support him.Great entertainment to spice things up with knowone really getting nasty.I miss those days,when the CarrBrothers,Brett saunders,m Fiora,M puzy coming down from up north.

[Tsunami]

Sad to see the ban for Nicki. I am a self acclaimed Nicki's no1 fan having signed him in 1998 for the Diamonds, and selling him to Wolverhampton the following year. When you get close and understand him, he is the ultimate sportsman. and will take every opportunity to get the win. Yes, he goes overboard sometimes but, like in the cases with Zagar, it is  a carryover from a previous clash when Nicki had got done.  These spats go on, and continue for sometime years, and refs know that and as long as there is no injuries and it's just being competitive, the ref will allow it and the majority of fans will see what they have expected and paid for. There are others on this Forum, also close to him, and they will tell you what a great guy he is when he has gained your trust. He is intelligent, mannerly,  respectful and  has you as a contact and a friend for life. I am lucky in having worked with him, so I admit I can be biased when I see his crashes, and I have to step back and have a rethink sometimes. Refs do get it wrong of course, as in the case in 1998 at Stoke for the first time, when Nicki overtook Paul Pickering on the second bend and Paul somehow dropped his bike. The ref then excluded Nicki despite all the protests. At the end of the meeting, the ref approached our Team manager George English and apologised for his error saying he thought it was Ronni Pedersen.  Just shows that some refs can also carry the grudge, not just fellow riders.

[Garry1603]

21 hours ago, steve roberts said:

Have on film Alan Wilkinson's trip to the box at King's Lynn...wouldn't have wanted to get on the wrong side of "Wilkie".

I was there that day. It was so funny to see the reaction of Eric Boocock and Chris Morton who were talking on the centre green when they saw what Wilkie was going to do!

You could almost see the blood drain from their faces before they ran after him across the grass (didn't catch him though )

[Wolfie456]

19 hours ago, Diamondboy said:

Bloke is box office and every promoter in this country would have him in their lineup no question if they could afford him. 100% of the fans would have him also if he was on their team. He’s only a pariah if you don’t have him.....

Hes owned by Wolverhampton but will never be welcomed back by club or supporters after his exploits.

[Diamondboy]

4 hours ago, Tsunami said:

Sad to see the ban for Nicki. I am a self acclaimed Nicki's no1 fan having signed him in 1998 for the Diamonds, and selling him to Wolverhampton the following year. When you get close and understand him, he is the ultimate sportsman. and will take every opportunity to get the win. Yes, he goes overboard sometimes but, like in the cases with Zagar, it is  a carryover from a previous clash when Nicki had got done.  These spats go on, and continue for sometime years, and refs know that and as long as there is no injuries and it's just being competitive, the ref will allow it and the majority of fans will see what they have expected and paid for. There are others on this Forum, also close to him, and they will tell you what a great guy he is when he has gained your trust. He is intelligent, mannerly,  respectful and  has you as a contact and a friend for life. I am lucky in having worked with him, so I admit I can be biased when I see his crashes, and I have to step back and have a rethink sometimes. Refs do get it wrong of course, as in the case in 1998 at Stoke for the first time, when Nicki overtook Paul Pickering on the second bend and Paul somehow dropped his bike. The ref then excluded Nicki despite all the protests. At the end of the meeting, the ref approached our Team manager George English and apologised for his error saying he thought it was Ronni Pedersen.  Just shows that some refs can also carry the grudge, not just fellow riders.

How did you come across Nikki?

[Tsunami]

12 hours ago, Diamondboy said:

How did you come across Nikki?

The then owner of Brough Park went bust in about July 97 which was our first year. We were allowed to complete the season under the guidance of KPMG the receivers. it was offered for sale on the market and 3 potential buyers were identified. All three guaranteed to continue with speedway if they bought Brough Park, and we advised the BSPA we were OK for 1998. We are put in the Cups and included in the Premier League, and in mid January the sale was completed with Alan Roberts Bookmakers and we confirmed were were running. Obviously we owned Jesper from 1997 but we needed two more heat leaders. Brent Werner, a Yank, was available and lived in England, and then we heard that Nicki was looking for a teamplace but everyone  else was fixed up. He knew of Jesper and he was easily persuaded to join a fellow Dane in his first year racing in this country. He picked up all of his brother Ronni's contacts, so therefore had lodgings with a guy in Peterborough. He stayed overnight with Jesper when he had away and home meetings up North.

On April 1st we got an invoice for £5 k from the BSPA for failure to declare we were running within their agreed timetable. Barstewards 

To pick up on a point Wolfie456 was alluding to I think. With him staying down south he missed out on all the local functions and meeting the fans away from the track. He has admitted to me that was a mistake, and he wished he had connected with our fans by being with us at such events. However he has on every available occasion since, made up for that and at Cardiff he never forgets his Geordie fans and loves to chat and spend time with them. We stayed in the BSPA hotel once, the Marriott I think, and he  was overwhelmed to see all my family remembering all their names except our Lee's boyfriend (now fiance) who was an addition to the family then. He knows he missed out with the fans, and even missed out with the Wolves fans despite the journey home was shorter. He was a bit more withdrawn then, and preferred to head on home alone straightaway after the meeting with a long journey to get home.. 

Edited July 8, 2021 by Tsunami

[Diamondboy]

3 minutes ago, Tsunami said:

The then owner of Brough Park went bust in about July 97 which was our first year. We were allowed to complete the season under the guidance of KPMG the receivers. it was offered for sale on the market and 3 potential buyers were identified. All three guaranteed to continue with speedway if they bought Brough Park, and we advised the BSPA we were OK for 1998. We are put in the Cups and included in the Premier League, and in mid January the sale was completed with Alan Roberts Bookmakers and we confirmed were were running. Obviously we owned Jesper from 1997 but we needed two more heat leaders. Brent Werner, a Yank, was available and lived in England, and then we heard that Nicky was looking for a teamplace but everyone  else was fixed up. He knew of Jesper and he was easily persuaded to join a fellow Dane in his first year racing in this country. He picked up all of his brother Ronni's contacts, so therefore had lodgings with a guy in Peterborough. He stayed overnight with Jesper when he had away and home meetings up North.

To pick up on a point Wolfie456 was alluding to I think. With him staying down south he missed out on all the local functions and meeting the fans away from the track. He has admitted to me that was a mistake, and he wished he had connected with our fans by being with us at such events. However he has on every available occasion since, made up for that and at Cardiff he never forgets his Geordie fans and loves to chat and spend time with them. We stayed in the BSPA hotel once, the Marriott I think, and he  was overwhelmed to see all my family remembering all their names except our Lee's boyfriend (now fiance) who was an addition to the family then. He knows he missed out with the fans, and even missed out with the Wolves fans despite the journey home was shorter. He was a bit more withdrawn then, and preferred to head on home straightaway after the meeting with a long journey to get home.. 

Thanks for that Dave, I’m a huge fan of Nikki, he is the Michael Schumacher of speedway.