TB1 Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 On 6/29/2021 at 12:14 PM, stevebrum said: Think it’s only 7 riders that ride only top flight. Every other rider rides in 2 leagues. So just where are these riders going to come from to make it one big league? Whilst I really hope they persevere with the rising star scheme it needs to be 2 for the top flight. Whilst there may be some riders gained from the NL you can add to the mix a lot just aren’t good enough for a higher league whilst the development leagues there is an even bigger gulf. So there simply isn’t enough suitable standard riders to make one big league. Yes you are right, perhaps the only suitable alternative is to flood the league with foreign riders again and as you say blood 2 rising stars in every team. The other alternative is the continuous slow death of the sport in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, TB1 said: Yes you are right, perhaps the only suitable alternative is to flood the league with foreign riders again and as you say blood 2 rising stars in every team. The other alternative is the continuous slow death of the sport in this country. Foreign riders want to come but quite often they are no better than British youngsters but it’s one solution. ive been hearing about this continuous slow death of British Speedway for 20 years or more yet the sport carries on. The sport will continue in some form or other so long as people still support it so I see no difference now to 20 years ago. Edited July 7, 2021 by stevebrum Spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Foreign riders want to come but quite often they are no better than British youngsters but it’s one solution. ive been hearing about this continuous slow death of British Speedway for 20 years or more yet the sport carries on. The sport will continue in some form or other so long as people still support it so I see no difference now to 20 years ago. If you cant see how poor the sport is in Britain now from 20 years ago you are just as deluded as the people running the show. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 13 hours ago, stevebrum said: I see no difference now to 20 years ago. Should have gone to Specsavers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) On 6/30/2021 at 9:48 AM, hyderd said: I know it's hard, but if everyone ignored GAH posts, he would get bored and stop making a fool of himself. You could apply that logic to a few on here but unfortunately their is always a few that respond. Surprised to learn he is retired, his posts suggest he is the same age as another who changes his name regularly but always talks utter crap. Edited July 9, 2021 by bigcatdiary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 7/7/2021 at 9:01 PM, Pinny said: If you cant see how poor the sport is in Britain now from 20 years ago you are just as deluded as the people running the show. I can see the similarities but I don’t think those who run the sport are as bright as those who ran the sport in the 70s, 80s and 90s, so consequently the ideas for change are not properly thought out and how many 5 year plans have we had that only last 1 year. (Rising Star Plan being the latest) The rule bending unfortunately still applies ( but it does appear not quite as regular) but the saying, the answer depends on whose asking seems to still apply. I did smile when I read Jitendra Duffil’s rant the other week, I can still remember the fall out following the Redcar v Glasgow fixture a few years ago, a little bit of selective memory there. This sport’s history is littered with young promoters who arrive on the scene promising to do change everything and do things properly and leave a few years later disillusioned having done nothing but make things worse. Covid hasn’t helped but the collective desire for a better run sport just doesn’t seem to exist. Although the SCB and Under 21 development is now starting to show some progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/7/2021 at 9:01 PM, Pinny said: If you cant see how poor the sport is in Britain now from 20 years ago you are just as deluded as the people running the show. People have been saying the sport is dying for 20 years or more. That’s the only point I meant. I certainly wasn’t and am not saying the quality of the sport was just as poor 20 years ago. I’m just sick and tired of people saying the sport is dying a slow death. It will still be around in another 20 years. On 7/8/2021 at 9:31 AM, iainb said: Should have gone to Specsavers! Read comment above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 minute ago, stevebrum said: People have been saying the sport is dying for 20 years or more. That’s the only point I meant. I certainly wasn’t and am not saying the quality of the sport was just as poor 20 years ago. I’m just sick and tired of people saying the sport is dying a slow death. It will still be around in another 20 years. Read comment above. 20 years ago the sport in the UK was absolutely streets ahead of what it is now. It is dying a slow death , whether it is gone completely in 20 years is another matter but it is in an absolutely woeful state at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Pinny said: 20 years ago the sport in the UK was absolutely streets ahead of what it is now. It is dying a slow death , whether it is gone completely in 20 years is another matter but it is in an absolutely woeful state at the moment. People have been saying the sport has been dying 20 years ago and probably since the 80s. The truth is the sport is still here and continues to struggle on. I’d imagine in 20 years time people will still be saying the sport has never been poorer. I think the assumption that the sport is dying is that one day it won’t be around, I very much doubt that will be the case at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: People have been saying the sport has been dying 20 years ago and probably since the 80s. The truth is the sport is still here and continues to struggle on. I’d imagine in 20 years time people will still be saying the sport has never been poorer. I think the assumption that the sport is dying is that one day it won’t be around, I very much doubt that will be the case at all. You'd be right if it was another sport However 20 years ago the fans saying it were maybe 40 years old, today they are 60, and in 20 years time they will be 80 (those who make it) and 20 years from then they'll be 100 and most if not all will be dead It's not an even spread when you look at the average crowd, you'll get a sprinkle of youth some who will outgrow the sport a few who will be die hards but there will not be enough of them in 20/40 years time so 100% this sport is on it's way out in the future, the BSPL should be about preserving the sport for future generations but unfortunately it will be completely lost Unless, the sport can rely on huge TV investment and also that of local councils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: You'd be right if it was another sport However 20 years ago the fans saying it were maybe 40 years old, today they are 60, and in 20 years time they will be 80 (those who make it) and 20 years from then they'll be 100 and most if not all will be dead It's not an even spread when you look at the average crowd, you'll get a sprinkle of youth some who will outgrow the sport a few who will be die hards but there will not be enough of them in 20/40 years time so 100% this sport is on it's way out in the future, the BSPL should be about preserving the sport for future generations but unfortunately it will be completely lost Unless, the sport can rely on huge TV investment and also that of local councils No doubt we will see if you are right in 20 and 40 years time, if we are lucky enough to still be around of course. Considering it’s an elderly sport yet we are in the best position in many many years to have a great crop of YOUNG riders coming thru. So long as people are interested in taking up the sport (you only have to look at the amateur level to see the amount that take part) to see the sport has a fair credibility for people to try make a living at it. Thank god we have a great youth programme that should ensure the UK leagues have a rich amount of talent coming thru. Sadly the rise of the Polish superpower has seen virtually hardly any top class riders still wanting to ride here which for me has seen many turn away from attending anymore and I can’t say I disagree with them. I either want to watch the best riders in the world or the next generation in the lowest league. We have a barely credible top flight which is why ensuring we look after the next generation is absolutely paramount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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