TB1 Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 I think some perspective is needed here. Firstly the season was in trouble as soon as Klint was unavailable. However I think its unfair to criticise the management as the changes should ( and I emphasise should) improve things. Clearly things are still mixing and I guess crump was desperate to return but clearly not fit. The desperate shortage of riders has got to come to a head soon and I can only see one thing and that is one big league again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, TB1 said: I think some perspective is needed here. Firstly the season was in trouble as soon as Klint was unavailable. However I think its unfair to criticise the management as the changes should ( and I emphasise should) improve things. Clearly things are still mixing and I guess crump was desperate to return but clearly not fit. The desperate shortage of riders has got to come to a head soon and I can only see one thing and that is one big league again. As one big league would require more riders, how will that solve "The desperate shortage of riders", unless you are proposing fewer teams UK-wide? Edited June 28, 2021 by cyclone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB1 Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) Two options I guess , the first one is import more foreigners once restrictions are lifted or secondly blood our own youngsters ( which could be messy). Failing that the sport falls on its arse cos either no one can be bothered or make any money out of it. Edited June 28, 2021 by TB1 Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 hour ago, 25yearfan said: I thought the racing was good tonight! It was. Some though will always have their “couldn’t watch that cr@p every week” readied before the tapes even rose in heat 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADRIAN Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 Why is it our riders just don't no what line to take. Time after time they mess up . Don't they watch and see where there getting done. 2nd bend every time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Baldyman said: Haven't watched it,, and don't think I will bother,,, but from a pic I saw,,, there was more or less no one there Certainly didn't seem to be any social distancing issues... Seemed to be 20m between people, never mind two... As often when the sport is on TV, the empty terracing is a very, very poor advert for it... And with the size of Ipswich's stands, it looks even worse.. On Sunday I saw thousands watching in Wroclaw,, the majority bedecked in club colours, full stands, fans with drums to play along with the fan chants and create atmosphere, and every heat win celebrated like it actually meant something. . Last night you would have had to have the centre green flag marshalls and medical staff joining in just to keep the world's worst Mexican Wave going... I think it was quite telling that we had no close ups of "the crowd" as I don't think the producer could find enough together to actually fill a TV screen.. Edited June 29, 2021 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 hours ago, GAH said: Nah the racing at hyde road was better than NSS What about the dross served up weekly at Kirky Lane? Not all clubs are lucky enough to be bailed out by the local council sadly , so you do have a short memory. From what I am told, crowds even at full capacity are hardly holding up enough to keep Belle Vue in action long term either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Pinny said: What about the dross served up weekly at Kirky Lane? Not all clubs are lucky enough to be bailed out by the local council sadly , so you do have a short memory. From what I am told, crowds even at full capacity are hardly holding up enough to keep Belle Vue in action long term either. The greyhound track was completely different to Hyde road and the NSS. Small track , with wide tight bends. I have lots of converted dvds with good racing from the early days at the dog track. When John Perrin let stock cars in , then the track became very variable.... all dependant on how much track work had been done In the latter part of the dog track’s days , Colin Meredith was brought in to do the track and we went back to a well prepared track with good racing. There are quite a few British tracks that I rarely go to as they generally speaking are not conducive to giving good quality racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 9 hours ago, cyclone said: As one big league would require more riders, how will that solve "The desperate shortage of riders", unless you are proposing fewer teams UK-wide? I fear that the problem of lack of riders will be resolved by the reality of far fewer Clubs. Reading the PR and runes of some Clubs it possibly not being too pessimistic in seeing only 10-12 Clubs going to tapes next season in what would remain of top 2 tiers. The top 6 in PL look solid enough as they have 95% of the TV money to help them (may be 2 Clubs in East Anglia rather than 3) will Swindon come back to cover any loss we can only hope so. Of the 12 CL Clubs I would most worry about in a higher League are Berwick, Brummies; Eastbourne; Newcastle, Poole; Plymouth . I feel Len at Kent in his Speedway Star article is already positioning to go in to a stronger NDL which may include some of those 6 with Mildenhall and possibly IOW but that NDL would be no stronger than in 2019. Do Glasgow want to work with the top 6 and would Leicester risk it again? Can't see Scunthorpe in a higher League either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 That meeting was better than most served up this year. The camera work / director was poor. Witches don't seem to know where or how to ride from week to week. Last night there was an outside line , 1st time this year. Poor crowd...possibly only season ticket holders and after last night can't see that many wanting to go next time. Comment from a non speedway fan that watched last night on tv.... " whats with the Witches manager.. doesnt look like he cares and not wants to be there. Totally disinterested, Looks like it's rubbed off on his riders " 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 So I'm reading the racing was better last night,,, which it usually is when it's rained and there is plenty of moisture in the track,,, which begs the question,,, why doesn't any water get put on the track normally during a meeting,, when it clearly helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 Last nights showing was one which one again raises the question as to why we haven't adopted the Polish 'two-minutes' rule where you actually have to be ready to race at the start line, not ambling round to the start and doing your gardening and ignoring the Start Marshall! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, Gambo said: Last nights showing was one which one again raises the question as to why we haven't adopted the Polish 'two-minutes' rule where you actually have to be ready to race at the start line, not ambling round to the start and doing your gardening and ignoring the Start Marshall! Same with the heat 1 gate drama. But in Poland its a professuonal sport.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Gambo said: Last nights showing was one which one again raises the question as to why we haven't adopted the Polish 'two-minutes' rule where you actually have to be ready to race at the start line, not ambling round to the start and doing your gardening and ignoring the Start Marshall! All I can think of is drag the meeting out hoping for more food and drink sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: All I can think of is drag the meeting out hoping for more food and drink sales. No point at Foxhall as the club don't get that revenue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 46 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: That meeting was better than most served up this year. The camera work / director was poor. Witches don't seem to know where or how to ride from week to week. Last night there was an outside line , 1st time this year. Poor crowd...possibly only season ticket holders and after last night can't see that many wanting to go next time. Comment from a non speedway fan that watched last night on tv.... " whats with the Witches manager.. doesnt look like he cares and not wants to be there. Totally disinterested, Looks like it's rubbed off on his riders " Or maybe the egg on his face from his early season statement about his team and East Anglia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: No point at Foxhall as the club don't get that revenue... The first few home meetings the crowd was at full capacity wasnt it , whats changed since then other than the results , the racing last night was ok the tight scores thoughout kept the interest going i thought. Ipswich missed a big chance in heat 9 wiith Allen not beating Flint for the expected 5-1, Allen seemed affected by the ht 3 tapes warning and looked as though it was on his mind everytime he gated from then on Next Monday's meeting at Lynn on Tv will be interesting Cook going back as a witch and Heeps riding against the team hes spent most of his career at and with a point to prove ,has he ever ridden against the witches before ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 Crowd last night really down to it being on TV as much as anything. The other factors of losing and frustrations may have some toll on the future meetings now though. Will still be attendances that would be the envy of most mind..... Can't say the chance to win £1000 by paying MORE than would usually for a meeting that could be accessed for free was much of an appeal to me The track seemed to offer a bit more last night to how it has been so far this season but again the opposition read it better than us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 Kevin mentioned last night how tall some riders seem to be these days compared to when he was competing. Think he's probably right,can't think of to many guys that were above average in bygone days.In todays speedway l suppose Sam Masters must be one of the tallest but that didn't seem to hinder him on last night's showing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 29, 2021 Report Share Posted June 29, 2021 Never understood no offers for a tv meeting,,,, extra 500 people for a fiver or no one at 19 quid,,, no forethought as usual 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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