TotallyHonestJohn Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: What as was trying to say John, was that this pandemic thing is possibly affecting folk in different ways, financially, physically or mentally. It may effect what folk will/can't do and, a further month delay won't help. I for one, am finding my Sundays difficult to do under current restrictions, but will do what I can for another month, but say restrictions was gonna go all the way till the end of the season, a can't say I could. Honestly I think there will be some form of restrictions to live with until next spring and maybe longer... face masks and social distancing will be around long after these restrictions are lifted... this is the new normal possibly... and we are going to have to get on with it... Regards T HJ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: What as was trying to say John, was that this pandemic thing is possibly affecting folk in different ways, financially, physically or mentally. It may effect what folk will/can't do and, a further month delay won't help. I for one, am finding my Sundays difficult to do under current restrictions, but will do what I can for another month, but say restrictions was gonna go all the way till the end of the season, a can't say I could. I have to admit that you may be onto something there. I think that the whole lockdown has partially reconditioned people to stay away from crowds, stay home etc. This along with a reassessment of what people genuinely enjoy doing verses what was done out of habit is affecting many clubs. I do feel that the majority of supporters who attend just once will get bitten by the bug and return on a regular basis but in order for that to happen it might take a little extra incentive rather than average teams on show and limited home success. I deeply admire Rob Grants efforts at Newcastle and feel for him greatly due to the situation he has been put in/left in/dumped in and i certainly don't want to see another track close but more drastic changes are needed than the use it or lose it calls, many have already made the decision to keep away, what are the things that would bring them back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 The problem is there has probably only been an average of about 600 diehards who will go each week before covid.. and now it seems to be even less if we can’t sell out for what looks like a cracking match. We can’t afford to lose our beloved Diamonds so it’s time to back the team of underdogs and enjoy the victories that come. We have thankfully finally got rid of the old promotion so it’s time to back the new one and after this season hopefully we will be able to bring in even better riders and as Granty has always said he wants success. It would be a shame for the gems as I think they had a chance of winning the league and have looked good this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 47 minutes ago, Gaz said: The problem is there has probably only been an average of about 600 diehards who will go each week before covid.. and now it seems to be even less if we can’t sell out for what looks like a cracking match. We can’t afford to lose our beloved Diamonds so it’s time to back the team of underdogs and enjoy the victories that come. We have thankfully finally got rid of the old promotion so it’s time to back the new one and after this season hopefully we will be able to bring in even better riders and as Granty has always said he wants success. It would be a shame for the gems as I think they had a chance of winning the league and have looked good this season. 600 sounds an iffy figure to be running at CL level without strong sponsorship to top up the difference. There are plenty of NL teams that run at those figures and do so successfully. Im not saying that it would be wide spread popular but surely the Gems side is more sustainable even in the short term? I know season tickets have been sold for a CL team (and that monies gone) but would a step down be well enough received? Yes there would be plenty who no longer go but those in the Gems team at least have some affinity with the club rather than the brought in mercenaries that populate the middle tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: 600 sounds an iffy figure to be running at CL level without strong sponsorship to top up the difference. There are plenty of NL teams that run at those figures and do so successfully. Im not saying that it would be wide spread popular but surely the Gems side is more sustainable even in the short term? I know season tickets have been sold for a CL team (and that monies gone) but would a step down be well enough received? Yes there would be plenty who no longer go but those in the Gems team at least have some affinity with the club rather than the brought in mercenaries that populate the middle tier. Unfortunately I don’t think they would, many years ago when we had a brilliant gems team there was never a great crowd. On Sunday I know some people on here have said it took a little while in between matches but at least half if not more of the crowd started drifting away. It’s a shame as it was a decent match. Hopefully we can get to the end of the season and these restrictions will finally get removed so we can go back to normal. Unfortunately unless your a diehard I think people just tend to either go now and again or they will go and watch other sports. Some people will only go and watch successful / ambitious teams ie South Shields and hebburn in the football for about £7 per match. Now is the time Granty and the boys need us more than ever.. with Worrall in on Sunday , nice weather, Father’s Day.. have a night at the speedway and support the underdog! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly I think there will be some form of restrictions to live with until next spring and maybe longer... face masks and social distancing will be around long after these restrictions are lifted... this is the new normal possibly... and we are going to have to get on with it... Regards T HJ Totally agree, honestly,,, but depending on what restrictions are/will be in place will affect everyone on a different level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 32 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Totally agree, honestly,,, but depending on what restrictions are/will be in place will affect everyone on a different level. Sadly i think you are very correct its just that some clubs will be able to struggle on for longer than others. Those that are/were operating much closer to the break point have been hit first but its coming for all. Until ALL of those who promote teams can get together and work out a genuine unified way forward (rather than the survival of the strongest) things will continue this way. One by one teams are falling by the wayside and even those that are sustainable for now will struggle when there are fewer teams left in each league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Taken from Joe Alcock Racing ......so unfortunately my time with the diamonds has come to an end I enjoyed the 3 meetings I did for them thanks to everyone that has helped me get to this point Edited June 15, 2021 by KEITH M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 43 minutes ago, KEITH M said: Taken from Joe Alcock Racing ......so unfortunately my time with the diamonds has come to an end I enjoyed the 3 meetings I did for them thanks to everyone that has helped me get to this point So it looks like we are getting a replacement for Joe at No7... sad state of affairs... and now Wolves have put their licence on ice whose next? Its something that maybe Rob should consider... Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrP Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: So it looks like we are getting a replacement for Joe at No7... sad state of affairs... and now Wolves have put their licence on ice whose next? Its something that maybe Rob should consider... Regards Looks like Robs trying everything but I do fear the worst. 2 more home meetings against less attractive teams than Leicester ( No disrespect to Plymouth and Scunthorpe before 19th July. Will pay on the gate return after this date? I do feel for Rob he’s been up against it since day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 13 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Shame the Gems look first in line for the chop, if anything i was expecting Newcastle to step down to the NDL and see how that handled? There are plenty of claims that fans back the national league squad (although few want to pay the additional to view it). Obviously no idea how it stacks up with the steep rent and costs but rider deals are significantly lower. Mega offers to the likes of BWD wont have helped the situation but the current teams in both divisions are far from inspiring. NDL wouldn't be sustainable at Newcastle for the reasons you have put... the fixed costs would kill it... rent; medical; security etc... the way speedway is going if you don't have your own stadium its not sustainable unless you can guarantee the crowds which are also dying on their proverbial backsides so what can the promotion do? they cant go out and drag people in off the streets and then you will have the "I really miss the Speedway now its gone" brigade spouting off on here... well if you don't attend that's what happens as I have been through this before with Workington... people need to get off their backsides and come along... buy a ticket and give this new promotion a chance... if you sit back and wait for a final of some description like many fair-weather Worky fans did rolling up for finals and packing the place out for one night but not bothering throughout the rest of the year is no good... if you don't buy stuff from a corner shop it shuts that's business I'm afraid... 3 minutes ago, MrP said: Looks like Robs trying everything but I do fear the worst. 2 more home meetings against less attractive teams than Leicester ( No disrespect to Plymouth and Scunthorpe before 19th July. Will pay on the gate return after this date? I do feel for Rob he’s been up against it since day 1. So Ice the job until July 19th and then give it a go... but will one of the restrictions that remains in place after this date be track and trace rules so everyone has to sign in or use an app on there phone; or will it still be on line booking... its just another hurdle to put people off to me but the situation isn't very good at all... and I am only guessing what might happen but I cant honestly see the government just saying on July 19th... Jobs a good un people fill ya boots everything is back to normal... carry on regardless!!! Regards THJ 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 To me there’s no doubt just turning up on the night and paying at the gate is having an effect.(I know it’s the rules) Problem is nothing going to change soon by the looks of it,and clubs suffering will struggle to survive.IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Fromafar said: To me there’s no doubt just turning up on the night and paying at the gate is having an effect.(I know it’s the rules) Problem is nothing going to change soon by the looks of it,and clubs suffering will struggle to survive.IMO It's the same as booking a slot for a pint, the novelty will soon wear off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrP Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 Lateral flow tests are free why can’t they test people like they’re doing with other sports? Also there was lots of talk about Vaccination certificates to allow people to mix who’d been fully vaccinated. Surely there’s a way to allow more people to attend speedway. Lots of venues that do track and trace don’t necessarily need you to check in via an app. Surely this could be put in place for the more senior supporters. I realise it would mean more work but would it not be worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, KEITH M said: Taken from Joe Alcock Racing ......so unfortunately my time with the diamonds has come to an end I enjoyed the 3 meetings I did for them thanks to everyone that has helped me get to this point Joe got a chance that many others would have loved due to his connections. Didn't work out for him but thats speedway. I can only think Archie is the replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, Fromafar said: To me there’s no doubt just turning up on the night and paying at the gate is having an effect.(I know it’s the rules) Problem is nothing going to change soon by the looks of it, and clubs suffering will struggle to survive. IMO Honestly... totally valid point IMO too 31 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: It's the same as booking a slot for a pint, the novelty will soon wear off. Whoa there Biffa steady on; that novelty will never wear off on this fat lad... 25 minutes ago, MrP said: Lateral flow tests are free why can’t they test people like they’re doing with other sports? Also there was lots of talk about Vaccination certificates to allow people to mix who’d been fully vaccinated. Surely there’s a way to allow more people to attend speedway. Lots of venues that do track and trace don’t necessarily need you to check in via an app. Surely this could be put in place for the more senior supporters. I realise it would mean more work but would it not be worth it? Tell ARC racing as they are also setting their own rules on top of Local Government and Boris and it is more work and I am not sure it is worth it to be fair; however if people had of got the vaccine when they were told and done as they were told from day one and stayed away from each other we may have been further done the track (pardon the pun) but they cant follow rules and its a mental block many Brits have; do you not realise we have won two world wars (and one world cup) to have these freedoms... please don't get me started... but while I am here... if we started testing prior to meetings at Brough you would still get somebody coming up at the last minute before tapes up and expect you to wait until their test results come through... then it will be oh two hours to run a meeting how awful... nearly a good idea but not really... 12 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Joe got a chance that many others would have loved due to his connections. Didn't work out for him but that's speedway. I can only think Archie is the replacement. Think again cos it ain't Archie... Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 Already got my ticket, sponsor a Gems heat and will stick some more into the JustGiving page but I’m retired and there is a limit to what I can do. Sorry. Come on folks. Save the Diamonds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Fromafar said: To me there’s no doubt just turning up on the night and paying at the gate is having an effect.(I know it’s the rules) Problem is nothing going to change soon by the looks of it,and clubs suffering will struggle to survive.IMO This not being able to pay at the gate rule is confusing me. We were at Edinburgh last Friday and I'm sure most people were paying on the gate. Leicester say you must buy your tickets in advance. Scunthorpe only recommend it. I assume there may be national rules but it appears individual clubs in England are either making their own rules or they are dictated to by the local authority. Edit: P.S. We've already bought our tickets online for Sunday's match Edited June 15, 2021 by False dawn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinBSN Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, False dawn said: This not being able to pay at the gate rule is confusing me. We were at Edinburgh last Friday and I'm sure most people were paying on the gate. Leicester say you must buy your tickets in advance. Scunthorpe only recommend it. I assume there may be national rules but it appears individual clubs in England are either making their own rules or they are dictated to by the local authority. Edit: P.S. We've already bought our tickets online for Sunday's match It's always been quoted that clubs are running to local authority rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 15, 2021 Report Share Posted June 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, False dawn said: This not being able to pay at the gate rule is confusing me. We were at Edinburgh last Friday and I'm sure most people were paying on the gate. Leicester say you must buy your tickets in advance. Scunthorpe only recommend it. I assume there may be national rules but it appears individual clubs in England are either making their own rules or they are dictated to by the local authority. Edit: P.S. We've already bought our tickets online for Sunday's match 4 minutes ago, Marshall07 said: It's always been quoted that clubs are running to local authority rules. Pre- booked ticket only admission at Armadale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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