BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Tight meeting imo. Bomber doesn't like the track. Need Pedersen to score half a dozen otherwise Ippo will take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 This average debate could rumble on until tapes up time tonight May need a NL rider on standby just in case 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: This average debate could rumble on until tapes up time tonight May need a NL rider on standby just in case That won’t be necessary, worst case Cook will guest at No 1, with RR for Heeps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Badge said: I just posted a link about Jason Crump on the Ipswich thread, and stuff like this makes me admire him even more. Cook has openly admitted that not racing for a year has made him very nervous and affected him, and he’s not alone. Quite a few riders has struggled early because of the break in racing. Crump hasn’t just been out for a year like these riders, but he’s been retired how many years now? And yet he comes back after all that time, at the age of 45, and still starts banging in double figure scores! Incredible really. Edited June 10, 2021 by Arch Stanton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, ipswichwitches said: There appears to be 2 sets of averages issued for 28/5 - issue 3 and issue 4. Issue 3 indicates that Cook's average of 7.59 will increase to 7.82 on 1/6. Issue 4, which I guess supersedes issue 3 has Lawson included in place of Cook and Cook's average back to 7.59 and no mention of any increase. His average stays at 7.59 until issue 7 on 8/6 where it increases to 7.82 with effect 6/6 - which in itself seems a bit strange issuing a set of averages 2 days after some become effective. So if you as a promoter were looking at signing a rider, say on the 4th June, you'd have the green sheet from 3rd of June as your official guide to riders averages. You sign said rider according to that average only for a few days later another set of averages appear and your rider's average has now changed. It appears to all about timing. I always thought green sheets were issued once a month - cut off 23rd of month and effective from 1st of following month. It now seems they're issued at any time and it's a mine field trying to work out why averages have changed mid issue. Now, if only someone would come on here (or anywhere really) and just say "Rider A was signed and declared in our team on day X to the averages issued on day Y, perhaps all this confusion would subside. I can but dream New Green Sheets will be issued whenever there is a team change, in addition to the end of month revisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipswichwitches Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 53 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: New Green Sheets will be issued whenever there is a team change, in addition to the end of month revisions. Thanks for the clarification Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, NeilWatson said: That won’t be necessary, worst case Cook will guest at No 1, with RR for Heeps So going forward after tonight IF Cooks average is deemed higher now than 7.59 then Starke will no doubt lose his place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipswichwitches Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: So going forward after tonight IF Cooks average is deemed higher now than 7.59 then Starke will no doubt lose his place His average is immaterial after tonight, or even before tonight depending on your point of view. It's the value of that average at the time that the team was re-declared. As I understand it, the latest time for re-declaration would be 72 hours before tonight's meeting, so some time on the 7th June. At that point, issue 6 of the green sheets was in operation, dated 3rd June, and that clearly states 7.59. The Kings Lynn side averages are effective 7th June. So if the side was re-declared on 7th June, 7.59 would be the correct average. Where the confusion seems to lie is with the set of green sheets issued on 8th June, issue 7, which then show the higher average but strangely is effective 2 days before it was issued. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Just now, ipswichwitches said: His average is immaterial after tonight, or even before tonight depending on your point of view. It's the value of that average at the time that the team was re-declared. As I understand it, the latest time for re-declaration would be 72 hours before tonight's meeting, so some time on the 7th June. At that point, issue 6 of the green sheets was in operation, dated 3rd June, and that clearly states 7.59. The Kings Lynn side averages are effective 7th June. So if the side was re-declared on 7th June, 7.59 would be the correct average. Where the confusion seems to lie is with the set of green sheets issued on 8th June, issue 7, which then show the higher average but strangely is effective 2 days before it was issued. You need to look back to Issue 3 to see where any confusion may have arisen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipswichwitches Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, NeilWatson said: You need to look back to Issue 3 to see where any confusion may have arisen. But issue 3 was superseded by issue 4 on the same day and Cook is back to 7.59 effective 31/5 and that figure remains in all future releases until issue 7. All very confusing isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 I think their is a good case for separating GSA from team declarations as clearly they cause confusion. The current style of averages and the layout goes back to at least the 80’s, the whole set up needs completely modernising and with riders doubling up and down needs one set of GSA per month showing averages for each league riders are eligible for and cut out the 5% nonsense entirely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Off the fence. Bjarne likes a technical track so he should go half decent tonight which will be enough to see Panthers over the line imo. 43 - 47 Panthers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Just arrived in Ipswich, heading to Ocean Fish Platter before making my way to the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Rain won't save me today - I'm gonna have to go aren't I..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Rain won't save me today - I'm gonna have to go aren't I..... Trouble is,, if you don't go and its a good meeting with more than 1 or 2 genuine passes,,, and by a witches rider,, not the opposition,,, then you will regret not going,,, these things are very rare and don't come around often 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, KingoftheTrack said: Off the fence. Bjarne likes a technical track so he should go half decent tonight which will be enough to see Panthers over the line imo. 43 - 47 Panthers He will score well,,, Foxhall track loves a gating tart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Could be a delayed start tonight when Pboro lodge a complaint about Cookie being in the team, and then "riding under protest" . How can you expect a Buster's P'boro club to take this lying down after he was sacked from KL ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Yes,,, they will take it right up the dirt box,,,, like everyone does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Could be a delayed start tonight when Pboro lodge a complaint about Cookie being in the team, and then "riding under protest" . How can you expect a Buster's P'boro club to take this lying down after he was sacked from KL ??? I keep repeating that this option is no longer available. Team line-up queries are resolved via the ‘Speedway Line-Ups’ process. This website is to be used to allow promoters, team managers and trusted club officials to post their team line-ups prior to the meeting taking place. Team line-ups must be logged in accordance with the SCB/BSPA rules. This website is restricted and is accessible to members only. Those that are permitted to either post team news or view the contents of the site are required to login. Permitted users login details are provided by either the SCB or BSPA offices. Permitted users of this website are as follows: Promoters, Team Managers, trusted Club Officials, BSPA Office staff, SCB Office staff & Licenced SCB Referees. Edited June 10, 2021 by NeilWatson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismorton Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 23 hours ago, lisa-colette said: I guess they will just deduct his points if it is a problem. So I would make sure other riders get the winning points! I remember Poole got away with it a few years ago at Peterborough when they illegally used Proctor... Edited June 10, 2021 by chrismorton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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