allthegearbutnaeidea Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Sings4Speedway said: I think Berwick should be proud of their efforts. Until the interval they were well in the match, yes heats 13 & 15 will always be a weakness but Summers had been going well until that point. heats 12 & 14 did the damage where the lower end really stepped up for Plymouth, take a bow Bowtell and turned the match around for the home side. Sadly lots of effort for Berwick with no reward but nothing to be embarrassed about. Everywhere we go we’ll be in with a shout until after the interval, thats how a strength in depth team works away from home, except we don’t have a strength in depth team, we have a good rising star, 2 more reserves going nowhere, one of them not even in the continent yet, a rider who only does well at home and 3 6/7 pointers, no one to win these meetings, we fall short constantly and have done for years with the same team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 A few exceptions, but largely gate n go. Gating was paramount. The scores from gate positions tells its own story. When Plymouth had 1&3, they out scored Berwick by 26-16. Berwick outscored Plymouth by 22-20. Then of course a Plymouth 5-1 in Ht15. Having your 2 best riders come off on the first turn, didnt help. NBJ ended up under air fence twice while Etheridge had a nastier looking fall. You could see that they both didnt look as fast in their remaining rides. I thought Jye had been brought off. Dont know where Bowtell got his form from. Never seen that from him before, at this level. Flint was largely anonymous, apart from one blinding start. Bickley was at least on the pace and gave Pedersen a run for his money. Although looking over his shoulder one way, while BP went the other wasnt a good look.. If he could get out of the starts the points will be there. I think Plymouth need to be a little worried, tbh. The 'big two' only won 3 races between them last night. Bowtell isnt going to score like that every week and he won 3 races on his own! Unless at least one rider steps up each week, its going to be a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Everywhere we go we’ll be in with a shout until after the interval, thats how a strength in depth team works away from home, except we don’t have a strength in depth team, we have a good rising star, 2 more reserves going nowhere, one of them not even in the continent yet, a rider who only does well at home and 3 6/7 pointers, no one to win these meetings, we fall short constantly and have done for years with the same team Not saying that it won't be the first or last time Berwick get done away from home, given the team assembled i thought they did well to keep it close for as long as they did. I do get that Plymouth are certainly not the side to be feared and the engine room must be a real concern with 3 passengers. That said Berwick have been calling a lot of shots over two leagues and if they are still struggling then yes the decision making has to be questioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Mike0310 said: You should be embarrassed by this post Lawson.pedersen,Bowtell Edwards,cook,Ruml there horrific are they apart from Goret they all hit there averages what more do you want your a joke posting that and it seems very bitter and twisted.we come into the league late so we had to make do this season slagging young lads bar pedersen and to a lesser. Extent Lawson last night makes a nonsense of what you say best team won on the night good racing end of what do you want 70-20 score lines get behind the young lads don’t slaughter them because be careful if they walk away from the sport because of individuals like you ,myself and you won’t have a sport to watch. Why should I be embarrassed by my post? Plymouths team is rubbish, the table will reflect that come the end of the season. I’m certainly not bitter and twisted at all I was just passing an opinion which seems to have been agreed with by several other posters. Just in case you aren’t aware, Lawson and Edwards aren’t Plymouth riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Were you there!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 52 minutes ago, emilali said: Why should I be embarrassed by my post? Plymouths team is rubbish, the table will reflect that come the end of the season. I’m certainly not bitter and twisted at all I was just passing an opinion which seems to have been agreed with by several other posters. Just in case you aren’t aware, Lawson and Edwards aren’t Plymouth riders. Your last line is exactly why it isn't worth getting so worked up about.. It really doesn't matter who wins given how the teams are put together so just enjoy the racing... By the comments from those there, the racing was good, and the crowd decent, which hopefully will encourage many to attend again.. Four riders of similar ability, banging handlebars and racing closely for four laps (regardless of any passing or not), is still a spectacle to behold and will always possess that 'Wow Factor'... It's largely irrelevant what the score is, or indeed who prevails in the end.. Just enjoy the racing.. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, mikebv said: Your last line is exactly why it isn't worth getting so worked up about.. It really doesn't matter who wins given how the teams are put together so just enjoy the racing... By the comments from those there, the racing was good, and the crowd decent, which hopefully will encourage many to attend again.. Four riders of similar ability, banging handlebars and racing closely for four laps (regardless of any passing or not), is still a spectacle to behold and will always possess that 'Wow Factor'... It's largely irrelevant what the score is, or indeed who prevails in the end.. Just enjoy the racing.. The score is relevant a losing side invariably drop in crowd numbers and fans lose interest. Also what is the point in entering a competition and not bothering about winning , of course it matters to the fans and to say otherwise is wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, Gazc said: The score is relevant a losing side invariably drop in crowd numbers and fans lose interest. Also what is the point in entering a competition and not bothering about winning , of course it matters to the fans and to say otherwise is wrong. So you take a 'Plymouth Select' winning as in some way shape or form actually credible in the context of a professional sports league? Of course it isn"t. It's completely contrived.. However, it did make for a seemingly competitive match and (more importantly), a good nights entertainment for the fans.. As it does (and will continue to do so), for many teams, many times a season, when "Select sides" are put together (by often using track specialist ringers)... Most tracks now are down to their very die hard following, hence not many close due to having "poor teams"... Therefore, for many in attendance, the value for money of what they watch, rather than the result, is the key determinant of whether they return or not.. And as is clear, even those who follow teams down at the bottom, still attend in sufficient numbers... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 I followed Poole throughout the 90s and beyond. The number of cups they won were phenomenal. Great riders like Loram, Rickarsson, Holder, Ward etc. All fantastic to watch. However, many matches at home were big scores for Poole and although the riding was fantastic not always good racing unless the Poole riders missed the gate. in the late 90s there were unknowns coming in , Craig Boyce, Gary Allen, The Langdon brothers and someone call Adam’s. Boyce in the first few meeting kept falling off and others were slow. What happened to these riders. In the end if you wanted to see close good racing you had to go to the away match, which I did. Back to my home city team Plymouth. They have youngsters coming in and they are not hitting the ground running. Did anyone expect that? They signed two old heads and a youngster who is a track expert. What happens? The 3 times world champion gets injured before he rides at home and the youn track expert is out for the season before he rides for the team this year. Having said all that Plymouth are getting good crowds that will increase when COVID is sorted. From all accounts excellent racing that is exciting new spectators. They will not pull up any trees this year but hopefully put down sound roots to grow in the future. Gary May has now come in and with his knowledge and contacts things should get even better. Look what he did at Somerset. Also, what a pair of promoters in the Undertaker and Matt Bates. What they have done deserves success. Hope to be there soon, incidentally where I used to play Rugby for the OPOs against the Old Sutts but that’s a different story. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 57 minutes ago, Mike0310 said: Were you there!!!! Thankfully not, not that it has any relevance to the point I was making. Embarrassing result against a garbage side, end of story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Good pair of promoters! One couldnt answer the phone yesterday about a ticket problem still what does one fan from away count ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, mikebv said: So you take a 'Plymouth Select' winning as in some way shape or form actually credible in the context of a professional sports league? Of course it isn"t. It's completely contrived.. However, it did make for a seemingly competitive match and (more importantly), a good nights entertainment for the fans.. As it does (and will continue to do so), for many teams, many times a season, when "Select sides" are put together (by often using track specialist ringers)... Most tracks now are down to their very die hard following, hence not many close due to having "poor teams"... Therefore, for many in attendance, the value for money of what they watch, rather than the result, is the key determinant of whether they return or not.. And as is clear, even those who follow teams down at the bottom, still attend in sufficient numbers... and as kelvin said on monday there will more and more select sides this season with lack of rider availability. and injuries like you just enjoy the racing win or lose Edited June 9, 2021 by ray c 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mike0310 said: You should be embarrassed by this post Lawson.pedersen,Bowtell Edwards,cook,Ruml there horrific are they apart from Goret they all hit there averages what more do you want your a joke posting that and it seems very bitter and twisted.we come into the league late so we had to make do this season slagging young lads bar pedersen and to a lesser. Extent Lawson last night makes a nonsense of what you say best team won on the night good racing end of what do you want 70-20 score lines get behind the young lads don’t slaughter them because be careful if they walk away from the sport because of individuals like you ,myself and you won’t have a sport to watch. If you support a team, of course you do. Very, very few people turn up and follow a sports team to see them get beat as long as they are "entertained" winning is a massive part of the entertainment of following a sports team. I doubt any young rider gives a piss about this forum let alone reads it and would retire based on posts on it, take your handwringing elsewhere. Edited June 9, 2021 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnybegood Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 hours ago, geoff100 said: Good pair of promoters! One couldnt answer the phone yesterday about a ticket problem still what does one fan from away count ! Ticket sales has been online for two weeks , maybe more time booking tickets rather than whinging because no one answered the phone lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, geoff100 said: Good pair of promoters! One couldnt answer the phone yesterday about a ticket problem still what does one fan from away count ! I went there last September, superb meeting and great promotion. It was the same Ticketing System that Brummies are now using. It's made very clear by Clubs using these Systems that there is a CUT OFF time for Tickets to be purchased. Brummies you have to pay by end of day before or early morning of the meeting. Plymouth put out a social media barrage yesterday and days before with a Cut Off time. If you can't be bothered to purchase a few days in advance that's your problem not theirs. Take some personal responsibility. I've been to 2 Meetings rained off I've had tickets for this season. Both Clubs refunded me within 24 hours no arguments or delays. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 3 hours ago, geoff100 said: Good pair of promoters! One couldnt answer the phone yesterday about a ticket problem still what does one fan from away count ! Online ticket sales were extended until 2pm on the day of the meeting, covid restrictions prevent any other options for purchasing tickets,pity you missed a very good meeting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, lewy said: Online ticket sales were extended until 2pm on the day of the meeting, covid restrictions prevent any other options for purchasing tickets,pity you missed a very good meeting Track seem to have different purchasing options regarding times.Berwick you can purchase up to start of meeting if it’s an E ticket,providing it’s not all ready sold out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandking072 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Would anyone have the race times for heats 14 & 15 please? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Track seem to have different purchasing options regarding times.Berwick you can purchase up to start of meeting if it’s an E ticket,providing it’s not all ready sold out. Different areas Different rules possibly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Jonnybegood said: Ticket sales has been online for two weeks , maybe more time booking tickets rather than whinging because no one answered the phone lol Wasnt whinging am here working this week when it became clear was finished in time to go on the day tried to book a ticket closed but there is a number to ring no answer i am sure u too would whinge if u didnt get an answer.i was prepared to fork out for train from paignton then taxi to track and return with ticket was about £45 , so its plymouths loss and how many more like me in the months to come will think twice about going . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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