IainB Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 9:40 AM, flagrag said: British Speedway has signed a large commercial deal with Anlas for a certain quantity of tyres Expand They can add them to all of the GTR engines they've got... just need to buy some dodgy bendy frames and they'll have enough for a complete league of unrideable bikes 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gasser90 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 I was in the pits at pboro on Monday and when proctor came in you couldn’t even put your hand on the tyre as it was so hot. They was taking the temperature of each tyre as the riders came in and proctors was some 13 degrees hotter than Lawsons when he came in, and there was massive cuts in them. I know it’s the same for everyone but I do kinda feel sorry for the lads risking their lives for our entertainment on these tyres that clearly are not suitable 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 8:02 AM, iainb said: They can add them to all of the GTR engines they've got... just need to buy some dodgy bendy frames and they'll have enough for a complete league of unrideable bikes Expand The rate that the riders are coming off their bikes, there will be plenty of 'dodgy bendy frames' available.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebee Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 9:40 AM, flagrag said: British Speedway has signed a large commercial deal with Anlas for a certain quantity of tyres so it will need to be proved that they are not as specified in original contract. Expand If they have supplied a product that is not fit for purpose - never mind outright dangerous - then the tyre company should be considered in breach of contract! With the limited number of riders available to British speedway this is a crisis that cannot be ignored. Commercial interests cannot override rider's safety. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Before this deal was done, was there any testing done on them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobC Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 At Plymouth last night, they didnt have enough tyres to issue 14 for each side. Berwick were only given 11 tyres. I assume, in order to be fair, Plymouth only had 11 as well? Anlas are picking up the bill until replacement tyres with a different compound are available.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 ...... & the Plymouth riders tyres lasted better, as they got 4 x 5-1's in the last 4 races. Not long ago, Scott Nicholls said that the bikes need a different set up to suit the new tyres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 9:56 AM, Gasser90 said: I was in the pits at pboro on Monday and when proctor came in you couldn’t even put your hand on the tyre as it was so hot. They was taking the temperature of each tyre as the riders came in and proctors was some 13 degrees hotter than Lawsons when he came in, and there was massive cuts in them. I know it’s the same for everyone but I do kinda feel sorry for the lads risking their lives for our entertainment on these tyres that clearly are not suitable Expand Richard Lawson recorded the highest temperature for a tyre in Heat 15 on Monday. They aren't getting any hotter on the surface temperature than the old Mitas Tyres. The problem is both the construction and compound. (pretty much the whole tyre then) Pressure rises were normal. tyres are losing big chunks after just one ride. They disintegrate at very inconsistent rates. Some lasting well, some not even 4 laps. The sidewall and bead construction appear to be of most concern at the moment, and the vulcanisation of the rubber to the carcass. The SCB are only involved because its a big safety issue and someone has signed a big commercial contract with a tyre that isn't fit for purpose. The problem will also be that those with all the data and testing aren't tyre experts themselves, don't really know what they are looking at, and certainly won't get an expert outside opinion from someone who is. The old Mitas tyre would wear at a predictable rate and when the knobbles were torn off the didn't expose the carcass underneath. In short, they wore out consistently. These things are going to get someone hurt if they aren't careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 10:15 AM, bluebee said: If they have supplied a product that is not fit for purpose - never mind outright dangerous - then the tyre company should be considered in breach of contract! With the limited number of riders available to British speedway this is a crisis that cannot be ignored. Commercial interests cannot override rider's safety. Expand Try proving it. Someone is going to have to get a very expensive lawyer and some expert witnesses on board. They cost money, that some people won't want to spend This isn't formula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebee Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 12:02 PM, wtf said: Try proving it. Someone is going to have to get a very expensive lawyer and some expert witnesses on board. They cost money, that some people won't want to spend This isn't formula 1 Expand I would think if you get riders on your side with plenty of expert opinion from managers, mechanics etc, plus statistics on rider injuries then the manufacturers would be getting rather worried. The opposite could be considered as well: what if a rider or iders(s) grouped together and the case that they were being made to use dangerous equipment to pursue their livelihood, Manufacturers are scared witless by any possibility of a case being brought about negligence. With the tyre change rule being brought in there is obviously ample evidence of a shoddy product not fir for purpose. Someone should try asking Anlas if they are prepared for a serious accident to be proved dto be own to a disintegrating tyre made by them. I don't think this issue can be swatted away. Lives and livelihoods are at risk if something isn't done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriors Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Get rid not safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 what tyres are being used in Poland? what was the reason anlas was taken away from GPs part way through? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neb Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 7:43 AM, arnieg said: He's got ability on a bike, just not the ability to stay on one. Expand and when it comes to picking a fight with the pit wall he has zero ability, the flip side is he is a nice lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Always wondered whether the change in tyres was causing problems ... so many injured riders after a handful of meetings ....some could be put down to lack of track action for over 12 months .... The riders spin the a*** off the back tyres when riding modern speedway on the slick tracks, so if they fall apart and overheat they ain't up to the job. Speedway isnt alone in cocking up on tyre deals.... Formula 1 with its mega millions is no better with tyres disintegrating at 180mph. Maybe they should shorten the races to 3 laps only whilst this sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 9:56 AM, Gasser90 said: I was in the pits at pboro on Monday and when proctor came in you couldn’t even put your hand on the tyre as it was so hot. They was taking the temperature of each tyre as the riders came in and proctors was some 13 degrees hotter than Lawsons when he came in, and there was massive cuts in them. I know it’s the same for everyone but I do kinda feel sorry for the lads risking their lives for our entertainment on these tyres that clearly are not suitable Expand Not really risking their lives for our entertainment,,, risking their lives possibly,,, for our entertainment,, no 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 6:47 PM, old bob at herne bay said: Maybe they should shorten the races to 3 laps only whilst this sorted out. Expand Come on, don't be silly. The solution is obvious. Pit stops after 2 laps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 6/10/2021 at 6:12 AM, Richard Weston said: And change tyres, of course. Could also refuel. Expand And adjust chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 12:52 PM, bluebee said: I would think if you get riders on your side with plenty of expert opinion from managers, mechanics etc, plus statistics on rider injuries then the manufacturers would be getting rather worried. The opposite could be considered as well: what if a rider or iders(s) grouped together and the case that they were being made to use dangerous equipment to pursue their livelihood, Manufacturers are scared witless by any possibility of a case being brought about negligence. With the tyre change rule being brought in there is obviously ample evidence of a shoddy product not fir for purpose. Someone should try asking Anlas if they are prepared for a serious accident to be proved dto be own to a disintegrating tyre made by them. I don't think this issue can be swatted away. Lives and livelihoods are at risk if something isn't done. Expand Believe me, they are very busy trying to swat it away and hide it under the carpet. Rumour has it there's now a special Anlas Lubricant that must be used on the inside of the tyre when fitting to make all the problems go away. You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. If this lot had another brain cell they'd be a plant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 Why is it whenever the BSPL negotiates a bulk contract designed to save money it seems to end up costing more? And what did happen to all those GTR engines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 8:38 PM, Baldyman said: Not really risking their lives for our entertainment,,, risking their lives possibly,,, for our entertainment,, no Expand I don't buy all this "for our entertainment" business, some will no doubt want to put a show on for fans, but don't kid yourself it's primarily about doing it for themselves. You can see that by how many riders willingly come round to acknowledge the fans after a race win or close race. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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