Pride Month

[Grachan]

1 hour ago, AFCB Wildcat said:

While there's nothing to say it's not allowed, it would be seen as a homophobic slur against gay pride and anyone involved would vilified as haters. 

That, presumably, would depend how it was done and who decided to do it.

For example, if, say, Tommy Robinson decided to run a "Straight Pride" event, it would quite obviously be seen as provocative because it would be. 

If it was fully inclusive - as Gay Pride is - then it wouldn't be seen that way.

I wouldn't mind betting, though, that if a "Straight Pride" event did take place it would be some form of far-right thing. Because nobody else really gives a toss.

 

[Daniel Smith]

#WhiteLivesStraightPrideMatters 

Covers it all

[AFCB Wildcat]

43 minutes ago, Grachan said:

That, presumably, would depend how it was done and who decided to do it.

For example, if, say, Tommy Robinson decided to run a "Straight Pride" event, it would quite obviously be seen as provocative because it would be. 

If it was fully inclusive - as Gay Pride is - then it wouldn't be seen that way.

I wouldn't mind betting, though, that if a "Straight Pride" event did take place it would be some form of far-right thing. Because nobody else really gives a toss.

 

Exactly my point. That would be the perception so although there is nothing to say it isn't allowed it would be vilified. I don't give a toss about anybody's sexuality, why do I even want to know? Just seems odd to me that anyone needs to celebrate their sexuality anyway but anyone 'straight' would be by default 'right wing' for doing so.

 

[Jonny the spud]

6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said:

#WhiteLivesStraightPrideMatters 

Covers it all

Jeez. There’s so many issues there I don’t know where to start. 

[BigRackBandit]

Why would anyone feel the need to have a "Straight Pride"?  really sad "what about me" garbage ..

[therefused]

Unfortunately it doesn’t take too long to realise that the vast majority of users on here are middle aged, white, homophobic, racist and stuck in their ways wishing things would go back to the ‘good old days’. 
 

That is why no one on this forum is really supportive of this idea 

[Jonny the spud]

13 minutes ago, therefused said:

Unfortunately it doesn’t take too long to realise that the vast majority of users on here are middle aged, white, homophobic, racist and stuck in their ways wishing things would go back to the ‘good old days’. 
 

That is why no one on this forum is really supportive of this idea 

And that’s why speedway won’t grow in the UK. When it’s demographic is stuck 50 years in the past, you can’t expect modern day businesses to invest in it. 
 

how many years now have the BSPA been unable to attract a main league sponsor?

[Ray Stadia]

33 minutes ago, therefused said:

Unfortunately it doesn’t take too long to realise that the vast majority of users on here are middle aged, white, homophobic, racist and stuck in their ways wishing things would go back to the ‘good old days’. 
 

That is why no one on this forum is really supportive of this idea 

Do youngsters really think that the present day are the 'good new days'? We have so many issues and problems running through society. We have so many movements telling us 'gas lighting us' what we should be doing, what we should be thinking, etc etc. Trying to force people to think a particular way won't get what these movements want, all it does is gets peoples backs up and pushes some people into joining far right movements. Society really isn't in a healthy state at the moment and sadly, it will get worse in my opinion. The 'PC brigade' has gone too far!  

[steve roberts]

1 hour ago, Ray Stadia said:

Do youngsters really think that the present day are the 'good new days'? We have so many issues and problems running through society. We have so many movements telling us 'gas lighting us' what we should be doing, what we should be thinking, etc etc. Trying to force people to think a particular way won't get what these movements want, all it does is gets peoples backs up and pushes some people into joining far right movements. Society really isn't in a healthy state at the moment and sadly, it will get worse in my opinion. The 'PC brigade' has gone too far!  

All I can say is that I was glad I grew up during the era that I did.

[djr]

2 hours ago, therefused said:

Unfortunately it doesn’t take too long to realise that the vast majority of users on here are middle aged, white, homophobic, racist and stuck in their ways wishing things would go back to the ‘good old days’. 
 

That is why no one on this forum is really supportive of this idea 

You seem to be automatically assuming anyone White + Middle aged ,must also be - Racist + Homophobic 

( How do you even know forum users are White , middle aged ? )

 

 

And what's wrong with being " stuck in their  ways " , if they are good ways 

 

Plenty of young people also " stuck in their ways"

- automatically assuming - Old Fashion =Bad 

New Fashion = must be good 

Isn't Age discrimination just another discrimination like racism , homophobia etc.

You argue against one form of discrimination , while using another form of discrimination

 

 

[The Third Man]

Why cant we have debate anymore?

Not supporting pride means your homophobic

Don't take the knee, your racist

Have different views on how to tackle Covid from the government, your a conspiracy theorist

Your not vegan, then you like to kill animals and don't want to stop climate change

There is only one view allowed now, and you need to support it without comment

[steve roberts]

9 minutes ago, djr said:

You seem to be automatically assuming anyone White + Middle aged ,must also be - Racist + Homophobic 

( How do you even know forum users are White , middle aged ? )

 

 

And what's wrong with being " stuck in their  ways " , if they are good ways 

 

Plenty of young people also " stuck in their ways"

- automatically assuming - Old Fashion =Bad 

New Fashion = must be good 

Isn't Age discrimination just another discrimination like racism , homophobia etc.

You argue against one form of discrimination , while using another form of discrimination

 

 

There was letter in my TV Guide where someone was criticising Michael Portillo's dress sense? It was suggested that he should dress 'contempory'...okay dress with shorts that cover the knees or jeans slashed and wearing a branded teashirt plus a baseball camp! Okay his colour co-ordination sometimes clashes but at least he is smart in appearance.

[iris123]

5 minutes ago, The Third Man said:

Why cant we have debate anymore?

Not supporting pride means your homophobic

Don't take the knee, your racist

Have different views on how to tackle Covid from the government, your a conspiracy theorist

Your not vegan, then you like to kill animals and don't want to stop climate change

There is only one view allowed now, and you need to support it without comment

I don’t see why you can’t have a debate

The thing that always gets me on most of these subjects is that people are triggered off by them and straight away go off on ‘ why can’t we have a straight male month’ or why can’t we have a white lives matter movement ?
It is obvious they in some way feel offended by the fact that a group that is obviously to some extent disadvantaged in society is trying to gain equality, instead of just accepting it

Nobody is saying you have to actually do anything to support it, just don’t be against it. Booing people who kneel because they receive racial abuse is in no way accepting racial equality

[Ray Stadia]

27 minutes ago, iris123 said:

I don’t see why you can’t have a debate

The thing that always gets me on most of these subjects is that people are triggered off by them and straight away go off on ‘ why can’t we have a straight male month’ or why can’t we have a white lives matter movement ?
It is obvious they in some way feel offended by the fact that a group that is obviously to some extent disadvantaged in society is trying to gain equality, instead of just accepting it

Nobody is saying you have to actually do anything to support it, just don’t be against it. Booing people who kneel because they receive racial abuse is in no way accepting racial equality

There are disadvantaged people throughout society, whatever their racial background is. The gay community, for goodness sake, has been fully recognised over the years, including marriage, what else can the community want? TV and radio is well and truly represented by the gay community, probably on a percentage basis over 'straights', over represented. It's as though, if you are white, straight, middle-class you are now society's 'nouveau freaks'!  

[iris123]

10 minutes ago, Ray Stadia said:

There are disadvantaged people throughout society, whatever their racial background is. The gay community, for goodness sake, has been fully recognised over the years, including marriage, what else can the community want? TV and radio is well and truly represented by the gay community, probably on a percentage basis over 'straights', over represented. It's as though, if you are white, straight, middle-class you are now society's 'nouveau freaks'!  

As if on cue

What more can they want ? Equality obviously in all s sections of society not just media !!! I have yet tto see a study that say’s they have achieved that, but if you have, please tell me where to find it

Edited June 5, 2021 by iris123

[The Third Man]

1 hour ago, iris123 said:

 

Nobody is saying you have to actually do anything to support it, just don’t be against it. Booing people who kneel because they receive racial abuse is in no way accepting racial equality

the problem is now the view is, if you don't support it you are against it, there is no reasoned debate because if you speak out against supporting anything you are branded as being against things

it just seems that there is only point of view allowed now, which is a shame

[iris123]

6 minutes ago, The Third Man said:

the problem is now the view is, if you don't support it you are against it, there is no reasoned debate because if you speak out against supporting anything you are branded as being against things

it just seems that there is only point of view allowed now, which is a shame

In this I can agree to an extent. At least with the Covid measures there was a tendency that anyone who spoke against the measures was immediately put in the conspiracy category 

[Ray Stadia]

38 minutes ago, iris123 said:

As if on cue

What more can they want ? Equality obviously in all s sections of society not just media !!! I have yet tto see a study that say’s they have achieved that, but if you have, please tell me where to find it

The trouble is, you end up with positive discrimination and that doesn't help anyone. Everyone should want to be recognised for their own talents and efforts, not for the colour of their skin. sexual orientation or ethnicity. I think, in some areas and not only the media, positive discrimination does exist. 

[bluebee]

4 hours ago, therefused said:

Unfortunately it doesn’t take too long to realise that the vast majority of users on here are middle aged, white, homophobic, racist and stuck in their ways wishing things would go back to the ‘good old days’. 

I hope you are not implying that because I have doubts about the merits of jumping on to the Pride promotion that I am therefore homophobic. It's a cause that has become increasingly crtiticised even in Gay circles for its commercialisation and there are also issues concerning how other groups such as trans groups have co-opted themselves into the demonstrations. There are many both inside and outside the gay communities who have doubts about what it has now become. As for it representing a discriminated minority there are doubts about that too. We have gay people in top political positions for example and it is certainly not seen as a bar to advancement in the commercial sector.  I think we should be pleased about that as we widen the talent pool to include people of colour, women, the disabled and many others. It is a fact in this country that your life chances are  more likely to be determined by class than any other factor. We don't have months for all people of the so called lower class

 

There may be some  racists and homphobes  on here. But calling people names to shut down a debate is clear signal of your own limitations. I agree straightwhitemale pride is crass but calling other people homophobes isn't any better.

[Vince]

8 hours ago, iris123 said:

I don’t see why you can’t have a debate

The thing that always gets me on most of these subjects is that people are triggered off by them and straight away go off on ‘ why can’t we have a straight male month’ or why can’t we have a white lives matter movement ?
It is obvious they in some way feel offended by the fact that a group that is obviously to some extent disadvantaged in society is trying to gain equality, instead of just accepting it

Nobody is saying you have to actually do anything to support it, just don’t be against it. Booing people who kneel because they receive racial abuse is in no way accepting racial equality

People who take the knee aren't booed because they receive racial abuse but because they do so in support of a decidedly dubious movement, many of whose members are as racist as anybody they protest against not forgetting the whole take a knee nonsense was inspired by the death of a career criminal.

I have no issues with anybody wanting equality, everybody deserves it and it should be offered unconditionally by all. However I have always had doubts that the way to gain equality for anybody is for a relatively small minority of a minority to behave outrageously. I would go out of my way to back any individuals right to be treated in the same way as others but that includes the need to avoid the positive discrimination demanded by the more extreme minority groups. Equality will only come from the majority mixing with minorities on equal terms, we have come a very long way in the past few decades because of that but all BLM and the more outrageous Gay pride events do is create further division.

Equality comes from people not caring about the race, religion or sexuality of others. Standing up and screaming 'look at me I'm not the same as you' achieves nothing good.