Trackrat Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 29 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Poor Chris was doing his best with limited equipment due to break-ins/vandals.... B'ham management did extremely well to get a track that was ready for racing....under very difficult circumstances. If there's any spare shale going from 'Somerset', is there any chance we can have it ? Do they not do plant hire anymore? Didn't start rectifying the track till 19:30, what we're they doing for the 3\4 of an hour I was there at 18:45? All inexcusable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 11 hours ago, Bellers101 said: British speedway is a joke. I don't think it's worth the effort and money to attend anymore. I give up! See you next week 10 hours ago, Trackrat said: So I attended Perry Barr tonight with 4 new supporters, oh dear, don't think any of us will be going again, absolutely shocking. I've given up taking new people along, the opportunity for something like this to happen is too great. It's exhausting enough trying to explain to new punters what's going on under normal circumstances without having an hour to "fill" 10 hours ago, tomhaines said: If I were a ‘good’ promoter with a well run track I’d be having a word with these ‘poor’ promoters as every farce has an impact on the image of the whole sport and visiting attendances… They should be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute... but this seems to be something reserved for the riders 3 hours ago, Falcon1983 said: The official reason for abandoning the meeting is lack of medical cover and a 10pm curfue?, so what happens if you have a 4 rider first bend smash where all 4 riders are in need of urgent treatment and all have life threatening injuries? Most if not all clubs have one st johns ambulance if I'm correct, that is the first change that needs to be made, more medical cover yes it's a cost but you can't have a professional sport running with minimal medical cover It should be a fine to the brummies for a late start, give clubs say 15 minutes maximum to start later than advertised. Lack of medical cover should also be a fine, after the first fine then it should be points docked. I used to run events (different sport) it was notorious for not always starting on time maybe by 10-15 minutes but as said in here the paying public are who matter most, our punters accepted it as its 10-15 minute once it becomes 20-30 or more its unacceptable We would have a st John's ambulance plus at an additional cost a professional medical team with what is called an "ambulance car" so any injuries would be assessed by either medics, if it was a non serious injury the person would go to hospital in the ambulance car, if it was a serious injury they would go in the ambulance, with two sets of medics there, at least there would always be one on site to keep the event running, if another competitor required hospitalization with only one medic on site they would be treated while awaiting for an ambulance Lack of medical cover in Speedway literally just means the promotion has paid as little as possible to cover the meeting, there is no cost for potentially 1. Saving lives 2. Keeping the meeting running I had a particular bee in my bonnet about this very subject a couple of years back and started a thread on it on here (which you may find an entertaining read) this was after a couple of incidents within a couple of weeks at KL & Peterborough (from memory). I have never been back to KL since and won't again until it's their policy to have at least 2 ambulances present on site. 23 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: If there's any spare shale going from 'Somerset', is there any chance we can have it ? Not really a laughing matter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 36 minutes ago, Trees said: So was the track really dusty or patchy? Can't work it out from what people are saying ..... It was dusty as you'd expect from a very dry last few days.....no water went down once the meeting got underway, but I think that's because of the broken equipment, or may be because rain was forecast ? also the time limits must have been in the back of promoters minds? The track was fine if you attacked it like the Redcar boys did...... If you watched Harris and Wright, who both made great passes in certain heats, you wouldn't think there was any track problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, iainb said: See you next week I've given up taking new people along, the opportunity for something like this to happen is too great. It's exhausting enough trying to explain to new punters what's going on under normal circumstances without having an hour to "fill" They should be charged with bringing the sport into disrepute... but this seems to be something reserved for the riders I had a particular bee in my bonnet about this very subject a couple of years back and started a thread on it on here (which you may find an entertaining read) this was after a couple of incidents within a couple of weeks at KL & Peterborough (from memory). I have never been back to KL since and won't again until it's their policy to have at least 2 ambulances present on site. Not really a laughing matter Who's laughing ???....if Somerset are losing their venue, why wouldn't it be feasible to use the shale elsewhere ? Edited June 3, 2021 by GiveusaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, Trackrat said: Do they not do plant hire anymore? Didn't start rectifying the track till 19:30, what we're they doing for the 3\4 of an hour I was there at 18:45? All inexcusable! The track was ready to go at 7.30pm....Redcar riders made a massive issue about it not being rideable... I'm not a track technician, so we will have to wait for a club statement about proceedings......may be ? From what I could see/tell....may be the track was watered with hoses and it wasn't evenly spread, causing some 'soft' patches in places ? Once racing started, there was no track issues at all apart from 'dust' and rider trepidation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: The track was ready to go at 7.30pm....Redcar riders made a massive issue about it not being rideable... I'm not a track technician, so we will have to wait for a club statement about proceedings......may be ? From what I could see/tell....may be the track was watered with hoses and it wasn't evenly spread, causing some 'soft' patches in places ? Once racing started, there was no track issues at all apart from 'dust' and rider trepidation. Full statement on the Birmingham website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norfolk Bear Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 That the match has to be rerun is a disgrace, the race could have been awarded given that the Birmingham rider was excluded. Also the time ran out NOT because of the racing incident but because the track was not ready ? The meeting could never have been finished by 10 pm , ,therefore they should not be given this second chance of a re runGiven that the greyhound meeting finished at 12:59 how much time do they require to prepare the track .? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: The track was ready to go at 7.30pm....Redcar riders made a massive issue about it not being rideable... I'm not a track technician, so we will have to wait for a club statement about proceedings......may be ? From what I could see/tell....may be the track was watered with hoses and it wasn't evenly spread, causing some 'soft' patches in places ? Once racing started, there was no track issues at all apart from 'dust' and rider trepidation. Yes riders can at times have a prima donna streak but prep the track so there is no debates. A small soft patch or wetter areas than others won't stop riders taking to the track it will just cause them to grumble a bit. If the track was "slushy" as listed on the statement then the away team had every right to complain as the watering had gone badly wrong and in fairness would have been entirely evident at 5pm 6pm and so on so why was it left until prior to the start to try and resolve it? As earlier posters have stated if a track isn't in a raceable agreed condition 30minutes after the agreed start time then the match should be abandoned, full refunds issued and the paying public not left woefully short changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandking072 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Laurence Rogers, a man duped by an Eastern European woman on Facebook probably isn't the person I'd want making day to day decisions at my club to be honest. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 its a superb facility and one we really really can't afford to lose. Surely its in the interests of BSPA Ltd to support the club with loans of equipment, etc. Talk of fining the club is only going to push it nearer the exit door. Isn't there a track inspector - shouldn't he be there today with the management ensuring this doesn't happen again. Oh and it shouldn't be re run imo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Reading the statement http://www.birmingham-speedway.com/_mobile/news.php?extend.2997 it is clear to me (a mere outsider), that the meeting should have been called off days ago and rearranged for when Redcar are there in the League (i.e making it the Cup match instead). “Firstly we had an unexpected issue with our temporary stand zones which delayed admission a bit" "We had to delay the start for around an hour or so while some work was carried out but it’s not an easy task on limited resources as well as being up against the clock." “Don’t forget as well the track hasn’t been used for 18 months or so and press and practice last week was the first time we’d had the opportunity to get bikes back out there and try and turn the track over." “We’ve been working a hell of a lot on the track lately but we have to admit that we’re struggling massively when it comes to equipment and resources too. With the break-ins and the fire vandalism, we’ve got two essential pieces of equipment still being repaired." “On the day itself as well, because of the greyhound trials that were happening on Wednesday this week, we couldn’t get to work on the track properly until after 2pm. That was far from ideal and with it being 26 degrees, no sooner were we getting water onto the track it was drying up more-or-less instantly." The last two quotes say to me "We couldn't prepare the track properly in the time we had." They knew about these problems well before yesterday and therefore should have called it off IMO. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 So called fans slating B'ham is a bigger disgrace than B'ham trying their hardest to get the meeting on and struggling..... especially considering how far Redcar had travelled. A lot of bodies associated with B'ham have been working tirelessly for the last 2/3 months to try and get things ready for the season.....there's more to a speedway club than a race track that has to be 'passed' off...... Mistakes happen and as long as lessons are learnt, what more can people do? Trying to punish/penalise the club financially is a disgrace..... Sticking the boot in when the sport is already down doesn't bode well IMO! Give Redcar the win and move on! (blame BSPA for demanding a re-schedule....I bet nobody from B'ham wants it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 40 minutes ago, StevePark said: Reading the statement http://www.birmingham-speedway.com/_mobile/news.php?extend.2997 it is clear to me (a mere outsider), that the meeting should have been called off days ago and rearranged for when Redcar are there in the League (i.e making it the Cup match instead). “Firstly we had an unexpected issue with our temporary stand zones which delayed admission a bit" "We had to delay the start for around an hour or so while some work was carried out but it’s not an easy task on limited resources as well as being up against the clock." “Don’t forget as well the track hasn’t been used for 18 months or so and press and practice last week was the first time we’d had the opportunity to get bikes back out there and try and turn the track over." “We’ve been working a hell of a lot on the track lately but we have to admit that we’re struggling massively when it comes to equipment and resources too. With the break-ins and the fire vandalism, we’ve got two essential pieces of equipment still being repaired." “On the day itself as well, because of the greyhound trials that were happening on Wednesday this week, we couldn’t get to work on the track properly until after 2pm. That was far from ideal and with it being 26 degrees, no sooner were we getting water onto the track it was drying up more-or-less instantly." The last two quotes say to me "We couldn't prepare the track properly in the time we had." They knew about these problems well before yesterday and therefore should have called it off IMO. “the visitors in particular weren’t too happy with the track. 'You missed that part of your quote' ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: “the visitors in particular weren’t too happy with the track. 'You missed that part of your quote' ! Get it right both team's was not happy with the track, so don't just blame redcar's riders THATS FACT. Edited June 3, 2021 by Trackerman48 Missed some words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: So called fans slating B'ham is a bigger disgrace than B'ham trying their hardest to get the meeting on and struggling..... especially considering how far Redcar had travelled. A lot of bodies associated with B'ham have been working tirelessly for the last 2/3 months to try and get things ready for the season.....there's more to a speedway club than a race track that has to be 'passed' off...... Mistakes happen and as long as lessons are learnt, what more can people do? Trying to punish/penalise the club financially is a disgrace..... Sticking the boot in when the sport is already down doesn't bode well IMO! Give Redcar the win and move on! (blame BSPA for demanding a re-schedule....I bet nobody from B'ham wants it) But the track is rather important, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, Trackerman48 said: Get it right both team's was not happy with the track, so don't just blame redcar's riders THATS FACT. Quoting from Club statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Just one more reason to go back to the old upright style of bikes, back then meetings went ahead more often than not, the laydowns seem only capable of being ridden on a perfect track and the riders now have that notion cemented firmly in their subconscious. But there is some contradictions to what i have read on here, one point saying they could not get water on the track, whilst also reading the riders didnt want to ride because the track was too wet. If it was too dry, that's not an argument, most practice days are held in dust bowl conditions, far worse than you would ever likely see in a real time match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 Ok - so what happened , happened - as has been said lessons need to be learnt and I don't think anyone wants to see Birmingham put in a position which threatens their participation. I would suggest Birmingham need to look at doing the following 1. Haven't seen what was said about ticket refunds etc - so offer all those with tickets for last night to rebook for next redcar match, or get money back 2. Get onto Swindon and/or Somerset and see about loaning some equipment, if that is main problem then get something in place - otherwise get onto Wolverhampton and borrow whatever necessary to get track sorted. 3. Depending on result tomorrow night at Redcar, look at advising BSPA that they concede this tie - fixture lists are crammed and no doubt there will be rain-offs to fit in, don't want cup dragging on as usually happens 4. Finally next home meeting have a collection for Jordan Stewart - not suggesting Birmingham in anyway responsible for his injuries, but it would just be a good gesture. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackrat Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, marko said: Just one more reason to go back to the old upright style of bikes, back then meetings went ahead more often than not, the laydowns seem only capable of being ridden on a perfect track and the riders now have that notion cemented firmly in their subconscious. But there is some contradictions to what i have read on here, one point saying they could not get water on the track, whilst also reading the riders didnt want to ride because the track was too wet. If it was too dry, that's not an argument, most practice days are held in dust bowl conditions, far worse than you would ever likely see in a real time match. It was both. Not watered properly. Probably done with a watering can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, marko said: Just one more reason to go back to the old upright style of bikes, back then meetings went ahead more often than not, the laydowns seem only capable of being ridden on a perfect track and the riders now have that notion cemented firmly in their subconscious. Not being disrespectful but thats never happening so the solution is just prepare the track properly... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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