Col Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Looks like a fortunate start to Brummies campaign but doubt Etheridge injury cost the Bandits the win, 12 points is allot to ask from a middle order rider with an average of >7.00. I haven't read the thread until results were in, why the absence of Brummies two Germans? How did that impact the score? Suspect the 8 points from 4 Nicholls scored is on a par with what Berwick regulars would expect from Riss? Nicol probably did better than the rider he replaced. Doubt such a big track would suit either guest, but could be wrong. The big bonus Brummies wise are the points scored by Shanes, Thomas on debut and in particular Morris on his first (competitive) action in almost 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4eva Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, penchev said: Some folk really need to give themselves a shake , first meeting after almost 19 months! And the moaning starts, Berwick down to 5 riders after heat 3 and this after the opening 2 heats with 5 ones , any team would have a job on there hands at this point more so with Harris in such good form and Nicholls. enjoyed the night and great to be back , well done to the promotion for giving us speedway back , the work gone into this I can imagine would have been enormous Am I one of those folk who needs a shake? I’ve bought merchandise, bought a season ticket... I pay into the supporters club 5-1 draw. I’ll continue to turn up every week to ensure I do my part in supporting the club but I’ll have a moan if I want to thank you very much. That doesn’t make me any less a supporter. Aye, just getting to be back trackside was great in itself, normality as such on the way, but people saw lots of ifs and buts in the line up pre COVID too I’m afraid! And it showed! And by the way, take a look at those you say “are moaning”. They’re ones who’ve been going for years and will continue to still attend as long as the speedway is around! We just happen to care and want to see the promotion rewarded for the work they’ve clearly put into it! 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Unfortunately, there isn't an answer to the problem of riders missing meetings, and this is not just confined to foreigners - British based riders also miss their club matches when they have a preference for more financially lucrative continental bookings, and they will come up with the same excuses (and more often not, will get away with them!) Even if all clubs only employed British riders, the same situation would inevitably arise. What is needed is a complete re-evaulation of how speedway is run - with only British or British-based riders employed with watertight contracts compelling them to ride exclusively for their British team, but can anyone see that ever happening? We would all like to see our teams contain only our own contracted riders who only ride for us, like football clubs do, but speedway has gone too far away from this to ever be able to contemplate doing this. What I am saying is that there really is no answer but to try to make the best of an impossible situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Two guests and rider replacement on first night. This is why speedway can not be taken seriously. Only the die hards going RN4L 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 Great to be back watching live sport and it is true that sport is nothing without fans. Entry and exit to the stadium seemed to work well and was easy to follow, admittedly I did get to the track earlier than normal so avoided any cueing, exiting was just as easy with the extra doors opened at the back of the stand, so well done to all. Congratulations to Birmingham on their win, thoroughly deserved, they took advantage of Berwick`s bad luck losing Jye Etheridge in Ht3 and ran out comfortable winners. Decent night for our two reserves but last night showed Berwick cannot cover for the absent Coty Garcia medium or long term, if a replacement is called for and in the current circumstances I wouldn't know where another rider could come from, hopefully the management will have looked at this already. Home defeats are no good at anytime, lets hope for a first home win next Saturday against Scunthorpe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 hour ago, screm said: It would be great to know exactly what meeting Grobauer was in for Birmingham to be granted a guest facility. Maybe he was a reserve for the reserves. It’s history now ,like I said earlier Berwick Promotion knew he was not going to be there and accepted it.(so they must have been OK with it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, Fromafar said: It’s history now ,like I said earlier Berwick Promotion knew he was not going to be there and accepted it.(so they must have been OK with it). Berwick were advised by Birmingham that Grobaur was taking part, or at least on stand by for the SEC meeting the Czech Republic last night, the rider didn't take his place in the meeting nor it seems was on stand by, so should Birmingham have had their guest. Taken from last nights programme. " Fellow German Valentin Grobauer had Polish league commitments last night is is also on stand by for the SEC in case former Kings Lynn man Kai Huckenbeck fails to recover from an injury picked up in Denmark last wee " Huckenbeck didn't race in the meeting but then neither did Grobauer who was supposed to be his replacement, would that not take away Birmingham`s facility for a guest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, screm said: Berwick were advised by Birmingham that Grobaur was taking part, or at least on stand by for the SEC meeting the Czech Republic last night, the rider didn't take his place in the meeting nor it seems was on stand by, so should Birmingham have had their guest. Taken from last nights programme. " Fellow German Valentin Grobauer had Polish league commitments last night is is also on stand by for the SEC in case former Kings Lynn man Kai Huckenbeck fails to recover from an injury picked up in Denmark last wee " Huckenbeck didn't race in the meeting but then neither did Grobauer who was supposed to be his replacement, would that not take away Birmingham`s facility for a guest. Just the usual bullsh#t in speedway.The fans are treated with contempt .You hear a different story from each Promotion.Take or leave it seems to be the answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Just the usual bullsh#t in speedway.The fans are treated with contempt .You hear a different story from each Promotion.Take or leave it seems to be the answer. Quite correct, its not as if they haven't had enough time to sort all this. Not my original thought but by the end of the night six teams will have completed meetings in the Championship, only one will have tracked their declared one to seven. Scunthorpe and Plymouth are the latest to enter the guest fest with Berwick`s Leon Flint taking the place of the injured Henry Atkins while Kyle Howarth takes the place of Tero Aarnio who would rather ride in Poland this afternoon. Barmy. Edited May 23, 2021 by screm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 59 minutes ago, screm said: Quite correct, its not as if they haven't had enough time to sort all this. Not my original thought but by the end of the night six teams will have completed meetings in the Championship, only one will have tracked their declared one to seven. Scunthorpe and Plymouth are the latest to enter the guest fest with Berwick`s Leon Flint taking the place of the injured Henry Atkins while Kyle Howarth takes the place of Tero Aarnio who would rather ride in Poland this afternoon. Barmy. As far as I understand it, Tero was booked in to ride for Poznan ages ago. The Scunthorpe meeting is a rearranged one from the initial postponement, so Tero rides in Poland, as originally planned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, brianbuck said: Unfortunately, there isn't an answer to the problem of riders missing meetings, and this is not just confined to foreigners - British based riders also miss their club matches when they have a preference for more financially lucrative continental bookings, and they will come up with the same excuses (and more often not, will get away with them!) Even if all clubs only employed British riders, the same situation would inevitably arise. What is needed is a complete re-evaulation of how speedway is run - with only British or British-based riders employed with watertight contracts compelling them to ride exclusively for their British team, but can anyone see that ever happening? We would all like to see our teams contain only our own contracted riders who only ride for us, like football clubs do, but speedway has gone too far away from this to ever be able to contemplate doing this. What I am saying is that there really is no answer but to try to make the best of an impossible situation. But that is 100% the frustrating issue... It clearly isnt an 'impossible situation' to run the sport properly.. Running with three riders you 100% know will be missing is 'self inflicted' nonsense.. As is every meeting they run on nights which mean guests when the FIM already have a meeting in place.. And invariably on 'FIM nights' the missing riders are the better ones who, by definition of being at that qualifier or final, should have been one of the 'main fan attractions' at the league meeting.. The promoters will no doubt argue when in their own 'echo chambers', that... "No one in the stadiums complain about the make up of the teams". And that may be 100% factual, however.. Its the 80% empty terracing at the vast majority of tracks that they should "listen" to.. That "deafening silence" from those who still keep a keen interest in the sport, but are no longer prepared to pay out their hard earned to UK Speedway, is the 'noise' they should be listening to and learning from.. As has already been mentioned, this year was always going to have some 'travel chaos', (you didnt need some superhuman psychic skills to predict that)... So therefore why run with their usual operating model when it was so obvious huge logistical challenges would exist? Why still run with 7 man teams? Why still run with a plethora of overseas riders? And, if running a wider NDL league as they have planned, why not instead do a combined level league using an amalgam of British based Championship/NDL level riders, rather than run the two leagues seperate, (which no doubt will result in even more fixture clashes where riders have to be in 'two places at once').. Not 'impossible situations' at all... Just more of the same self inflicted nonsense which has gone on well before the pandemic, and no doubt, will continue a long time after.. Edited May 23, 2021 by mikebv 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 Reminder to George Dodds,it’s getting a little dusty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
col69 Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 22 hours ago, soupy said: Col must of not got behind the lads lol cols always behind the lads lollollol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 Still no answer regarding the illegal guest at number 2Birmingham still deserved the win, I’m not disputing that, and Nicol didn’t make that much of a difference, it’s more about trying to keep some form of integrity in the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 No use being bitter ... Grobauer was at an FIM meeting. In any case, the meeting was won by Birmingham regular riders - Harris, Morris,etc - not the guests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Still no answer regarding the illegal guest at number 2Birmingham still deserved the win, I’m not disputing that, and Nicol didn’t make that much of a difference, it’s more about trying to keep some form of integrity in the sport Integrity and Speedway ,your kidding. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, *JJ said: No use being bitter ... Grobauer was at an FIM meeting. In any case, the meeting was won by Birmingham regular riders - Harris, Morris,etc - not the guests. No... he wasn’t??? That’s the point I’m making... He was riding in the Polish league on Friday night in Germany, and clearly couldn’t get to Berwick in time due to the covid testing situation, stop taking everyone for mugs, you sound like a BSPA official, he was on ‘stand by’ for a european championship challenge incase Huckenbeck couldn’t ride, which he couldn’t, and yet he didn’t take his place that he was on ‘stand by’ for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, *JJ said: No use being bitter ... Grobauer was at an FIM meeting. In any case, the meeting was won by Birmingham regular riders - Harris, Morris,etc - not the guests. No, he wasn't. And in fact, not even as a "stand-bye reserve". Grobauer rode for Landshut in the Polish Division 2 on Friday, but not at Pardubice on Saturday. Huckenbeck's replacement for this FIME meeting was the Slovenian Matic Ivacic, and the reserve riders on Saturday were a couple of Czechs, #17 Eduard Krcmar and #18 Hynek Stichauer. Grobauer wasn't there at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 2 hours ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: Still no answer regarding the illegal guest at number 2Birmingham still deserved the win, I’m not disputing that, and Nicol didn’t make that much of a difference, it’s more about trying to keep some form of integrity in the sport The integrity horse bolted a long long time ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 2 hours ago, *JJ said: No use being bitter ... Grobauer was at an FIM meeting. In any case, the meeting was won by Birmingham regular riders - Harris, Morris,etc - not the guests. If he was there then he was there as a spectator and no more, he was on stand by to replace the injured Kai Huckenbeck, he didn't do that. So to that end Birmingham should've lost their guest facility going with a junior rider at No2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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