old bob at herne bay Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 Whatever the price of imported furniture has to do with speedway admisson prices is lost on me stu19. The clubs all made no losses in 2020, which must have been the first time for a long time , that is if we believe that they all run at a loss as they always claim ? Once again the speedway public have been taken for mugs, cost cutting by signing lower standard riders, (in the case of Kings Lynn no Rob Lambert) Once upon a time I was told that riders wages made up 80% of the costs of runnign a speedway team. Depsite the huge savings that clearly have been made the PL teams have taken the P and increased admission. If this were a temporary surcharge for PPE and other Covid 19 related precautions, then it would be understandable, and be removed once we have got past June . Chances are that there will be no hand soap or sanitiser in the toilets , which will be as filthy as ever. Yes the answer will be don't go if you dont want to shell out £20 per person plus £3 programme plus a £2 seat . Wise advice, stu 19. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu219 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 the price of furniture was just an example of prices going up . although the businesses, like you say may not have made a loss the guys running the sport have not been paid any sort of wage for a year. If you know anything about business then you would know that many businesses on paper run at a loss but the owners still get a wage. look at Phillip Green if you want an example. No wish to get in an argument but it seems very odd that people will pay £18 but not £20. would you walk out of a pub if the meal you normally ordered had gone up a quid as surely they will very soon. it's easy to knock speedway promoters and they do make some weird decisions at times I admit but surely we all want to get our lives back and get out of this bloody pandemic and if that means paying £2 more then so be it. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu219 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 so anyway back to proper speedway matters. Are we expecting full strength teams for Monday and if so what are the predictions? Has to be a very hard meeting to call under the circumstances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, stu219 said: the price of furniture was just an example of prices going up . although the businesses, like you say may not have made a loss the guys running the sport have not been paid any sort of wage for a year. If you know anything about business then you would know that many businesses on paper run at a loss but the owners still get a wage. look at Phillip Green if you want an example. No wish to get in an argument but it seems very odd that people will pay £18 but not £20. would you walk out of a pub if the meal you normally ordered had gone up a quid as surely they will very soon. it's easy to knock speedway promoters and they do make some weird decisions at times I admit but surely we all want to get our lives back and get out of this bloody pandemic and if that means paying £2 more then so be it. . I can see you point of view but consider this, these are the top eight averaging riders from the 2019 season in order; Doyle Batchelor Fricke Jensen Lambert Cook Bjerre Iversen Only two of those will be riding over here this year, the other six have essentially been replaced with junior riders. The pros and cons of that will become apparent as the season progresses but you must be able to see why people are miffed at having to pay more money for a weaker product? That extra two quid will make quite a difference to me, the absence of Robert Lambert takes some of the appeal away immediately but I may have been tempted to go more with a price freeze, bumping it up to £20 just seems like a mickey take to me. Especially if the racing is as timid as it has been in recent years. If they sort the shale out and the AFA suddenly turns into the NSS I’ll eat my words of course 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu219 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I can see you point of view but consider this, these are the top eight averaging riders from the 2019 season in order; Doyle Batchelor Fricke Jensen Lambert Cook Bjerre Iversen Only two of those will be riding over here this year, the other six have essentially been replaced with junior riders. The pros and cons of that will become apparent as the season progresses but you must be able to see why people are miffed at having to pay more money for a weaker product? That extra two quid will make quite a difference to me, the absence of Robert Lambert takes some of the appeal away immediately but I may have been tempted to go more with a price freeze, bumping it up to £20 just seems like a mickey take to me. Especially if the racing is as timid as it has been in recent years. If they sort the shale out and the AFA suddenly turns into the NSS I’ll eat my words of course yes I see your point and tbf the last time I was at King's Lynn the track was appalling. Made for rubbish racing. But also having the top riders on show does not guarantee good racing. I have seen more rubbish grand prix meetings than good ones over the years. The bottom line is though do we want to have an evening out again or all sit in our living rooms as per the last 14 months and slowly stagnate? I know the cost of admission is an issue for some and I fully understand it but as with everything in life if you feel its not value for money save your pennies and sit at home. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, stu219 said: yes I see your point and tbf the last time I was at King's Lynn the track was appalling. Made for rubbish racing. But also having the top riders on show does not guarantee good racing. I have seen more rubbish grand prix meetings than good ones over the years. The bottom line is though do we want to have an evening out again or all sit in our living rooms as per the last 14 months and slowly stagnate? I know the cost of admission is an issue for some and I fully understand it but as with everything in life if you feel its not value for money save your pennies and sit at home. There will come a point when the sport can’t downgrade any further and it’s not too far away whilst this season the priority has to be getting the sport with riders on tracks fans into stadiums the standard has gone down again as it has for years , money has definitely been saved with not having to pay Lambert and replace him with Bridger so I can see no justification for a £20 adult admission charge . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, stu219 said: not sure how £20 admission means the sport is a disgrace!. If you run any sort of business like I do you would know that costs are going through the roof. An example of my business is that imported furniture trade prices have gone up 30% since January. why would speedway costs not have gone up along with everything else and unlike my business speedway teams have had very little government help. Just wait until early next year when inflation will be running at very high levels.. I for one can not wait for the season to start again but if you don't want to pay £20 quid, simple don't go. fed up with all the negatives on here. Looking forward to my annual trip to King's Lynn on Monday. Hopefully a good crowd to watch the witches take the 1st win of the season Careful stu pragmatism doesn’t go down well on the bsf hahaha completely agree pal, and if over the season an extra £2 off roughly 1-2000 fans a meeting makes the difference of the speedway clubs surviving i’m all for it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, stu219 said: yes I see your point and tbf the last time I was at King's Lynn the track was appalling. Made for rubbish racing. But also having the top riders on show does not guarantee good racing. I have seen more rubbish grand prix meetings than good ones over the years. The bottom line is though do we want to have an evening out again or all sit in our living rooms as per the last 14 months and slowly stagnate? I know the cost of admission is an issue for some and I fully understand it but as with everything in life if you feel its not value for money save your pennies and sit at home. It won’t be sitting at home though, it’ll be finding something else to do which feels like value for the money paid to do it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu219 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 I see your point and it's a shame the promoters don't come out and explain why prices have gone up. mind you imagine being an Ipswich Town FC season ticket holder who had to pay out and only see their team on I follow this year. If you want rip offs that is top of the list lol. luckily I wasn't one of them ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu219 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: It won’t be sitting at home though, it’ll be finding something else to do which feels like value for the money paid to do it! so just interested what do you think is a fair price to watch speedway? I don't like the fact that prices are going up but they are going up with everything we buy now. just look at petrol prices. Unfortunately it's the world we live in and the reasons for that are not for a speedway forum lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 Just now, stu219 said: so just interested what do you think is a fair price to watch speedway? I don't like the fact that prices are going up but they are going up with everything we buy now. just look at petrol prices. Unfortunately it's the world we live in and the reasons for that are not for a speedway forum lol I’d agree with whoever said fifteen quid for the standard on offer in 2021 (Haza I think) I’d go every week I possibly could at that price. As I said earlier if it was retained at £18 I’d go occasionally but at twenty I will go two or three times I suspect at the most. My other half is a Manchester lass and if we lived up there instead of down here I’d go to Belle Vue every week at £20, it’s that good. The only place I would though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 38 minutes ago, stu219 said: I know the cost of admission is an issue for some and I fully understand it but as with everything in life if you feel its not value for money save your pennies and sit at home. Thats exactly what the speedway fans of the past 10-20 years did and here we are in the present day when the value for money and entertainment issues haven't been adressed in anyway to tempt back paying customers , now its looking like the whole thing is still dying a big death even further the only thing they can think of again is to raise the admission and so the cycle continues with even more people prepared to sit at home . 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu219 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: I’d agree with whoever said fifteen quid for the standard on offer in 2021 (Haza I think) I’d go every week I possibly could at that price. As I said earlier if it was retained at £18 I’d go occasionally but at twenty I will go two or three times I suspect at the most. My other half is a Manchester lass and if we lived up there instead of down here I’d go to Belle Vue every week at £20, it’s that good. The only place I would though! That's fair enough. I must admit I stopped going to watch Ipswich Town Football club years ago as it was then £32 for a match day ticket and the entertainment level was appalling. I hate to think what football costs to watch now. So it's all about what people think is a fair price for what is offered. I go to Foxhall every meeting not just for the speedway but also the company and social interaction with mates which makes it a good evening out and breaks up the working week . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 It's not really the fact it's gone up but that it was overpriced to start with. I'd agree on £15. I wonder if Lambert's wages are being paid to his replacement. Remember Nicki Pedersen saying something along these lines when the top riders started to disappear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu219 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, scoobydoo said: Thats exactly what the speedway fans of the past 10-20 years did and here we are in the present day when the value for money and entertainment issues haven't been adressed in anyway to tempt back paying customers , now its looking like the whole thing is still dying a big death even further the only thing they can think of again is to raise the admission and so the cycle continues with even more people prepared to sit at home . its the same with nearly all entertainment now though?. Not saying its the right way for entertainment businesses to go but for sure that's how they all operate. I would not want to be in their position for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, stu219 said: not sure how £20 admission means the sport is a disgrace!. If you run any sort of business like I do you would know that costs are going through the roof. An example of my business is that imported furniture trade prices have gone up 30% since January. why would speedway costs not have gone up along with everything else and unlike my business speedway teams have had very little government help. Just wait until early next year when inflation will be running at very high levels.. I for one can not wait for the season to start again but if you don't want to pay £20 quid, simple don't go. fed up with all the negatives on here. Looking forward to my annual trip to King's Lynn on Monday. Hopefully a good crowd to watch the witches take the 1st win of the season Absolutely agree.Pretty much everything has gone up in price.Bloody hell i only use to pay £6 for a haircut now it's £8 increase 33%.My Labrador cost me £650 3 years ago,a friend has just got one for £3,000.My garlic bread from F&b's has gone up 50p from 2 weeks ago and increase of 14%.Goods from the supermarkets has gone up,petrol is going back to where it was before,building materials up 30%.So yes whilst the league is slightly weaker the costs would have still gone up.Ultimately the customer pays in the end,but they have a choice.Bloody hell almost forgot got 2 bunches of asparagus from the local farm shop Sunday £7-50 no wonder they didn't have a price on it.The thing that mostly inflates prices is the cost oil/petrol/transport.King's Lynn have now raised their prices by £2 in 6 years that isn't bad at all compared to many other things. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu219 Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, bruno said: It's not really the fact it's gone up but that it was overpriced to start with. I'd agree on £15. I wonder if Lambert's wages are being paid to his replacement. Remember Nicki Pedersen saying something along these lines when the top riders started to disappear It may or not be overpriced but what are we comparing it to? a pub meal and a pint is 15 quid but watching Ipswich football club( before lockdown) was over £30 . At the end of the day it's all about what we all feel is value for money. I guess time will tell on what crowd levels will be this year hey? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) Hmmmm £20 is quite a bit of money but I don't smoke, I do drink a little but £3-8 a week doesn't break the bank, I don't have my nails done, don't have eyelashes or hair dyed, I don't buy loads of jewellery, clothes or watches, we don't eat loads of takeaways, we're DIYers, I'll go for it. I do want the racing to be good, I really do, I want to wow over the racing, that'll be enough for me, I'm hoping that a slicker AFA will mean all riders will feel confident to try all lines ........ and for the first meeting I just want our Stars to put those Witches in their place ..... Edited May 11, 2021 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: Thats exactly what the speedway fans of the past 10-20 years did and here we are in the present day when the value for money and entertainment issues haven't been adressed in anyway to tempt back paying customers , now its looking like the whole thing is still dying a big death even further the only thing they can think of again is to raise the admission and so the cycle continues with even more people prepared to sit at home . Absolutely spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bruno said: It's not really the fact it's gone up but that it was overpriced to start with. I'd agree on £15. I wonder if Lambert's wages are being paid to his replacement. Remember Nicki Pedersen saying something along these lines when the top riders started to disappear Fair call... if the current crop of riders per team are getting the same money as previous teams which included GP riders then that would be ridiculous.. It will cost me and my student lad £37 to stand and watch the Aces if we go along this year... If we could get in for say £25 then there would be several more visits than there would be at £37, giving the Aces more money overall... Surprised they have gone for increases considering the team levels and TV money... Edited May 11, 2021 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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