Premiership junior league

[Technik]

I think A simple rule to start racing at 7:30 prompt with no excuse. With at the promotions descretion a parade at 7:15. Then a full 15 heats of PL/CL or NL racing then a 15 minute parade for the victors & a little track grade followed by programmed Junior racing followed by scratch racing or practice until curfew.

[phillwhitewasmad]

3 hours ago, George Dodds said:

... and while the MDL/SDL may have had its problems what about the successes of the Northern Junior League? Integrating 500cc and 125cc and this year trialling - along with Birmingham from the MDL - a way of bringing the 250cc classes into a meeting set-up.

Obviously nothing and (virtually) nobody is perfect ... but at least some are trying to improve matters. Perhaps, just perhaps, there is more than a sticking plaster solution needed. The answer might be more important than whether towns without a team for decades are included in a league or not.

Maybe it needs a radical overhaul - as long as teams don't pull out when they don't get their own, very club-centric, way.

If all four leagues are flourishing in the future you'll still find something to whinge about . 

For me the Njl is a far better format with the 125 then 500 and know with the introduction of 250 makes it a complete package. Give kids an opportunity to join a club and become part of it and see a clear pathway throughout the levels if good enough.

the Mdsl with its 500 ruling only gives opportunities to older riders who have come through the other cc classes elsewhere and have reached a sufficient level to be allowed to race with adults. Then it claims to of developed them which is not strictly the truth.

[Speedway fan]

12 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

For me the Njl is a far better format with the 125 then 500 and know with the introduction of 250 makes it a complete package. Give kids an opportunity to join a club and become part of it and see a clear pathway throughout the levels if good enough.

the Mdsl with its 500 ruling only gives opportunities to older riders who have come through the other cc classes elsewhere and have reached a sufficient level to be allowed to race with adults. Then it claims to of developed them which is not strictly the truth.

just to clarify. The MSDL gives more rides and varied format than the NJL (which also does a great job) with same 2 meeting each other only. Most MDL/ SDL/ MSDL also have 125s /250's doing 2 or 3 rides but not on a points basis. The NJL format was looked at by the MSDL but at that time the 125 scene was highly Northern based and the decision was made to continue with the format . So in essence the 500's used may have used riders who came through the British Youth system but not solely as some clubs helped bring on the 125/250 lads until they moved to 500's and will continue to do so giving them valuable track time . Not every club followed this but ones that did can claim they helped develop them and the move to 500's was the natural progression.  The important thing is that the would be superstars of the future get track time and both the MDL and NJL have brought on many riders who have moved on to the bigger leagues and long may that continue. 

[MattB]

On 3/23/2021 at 5:36 PM, Technik said:

I think A simple rule to start racing at 7:30 prompt with no excuse. With at the promotions descretion a parade at 7:15. Then a full 15 heats of PL/CL or NL racing then a 15 minute parade for the victors & a little track grade followed by programmed Junior racing followed by scratch racing or practice until curfew.

I've been to loads of meetings where the advertised start time is 7.30, yet at 7.35 they've only just started to wheel the bikes out for the parade.

I think there has been some improvement in recent years in terms of getting meetings run to time without messing about, but it's not always down to the promoters.  As most of them rent the stadium, they're landlords want delays because they want them to spend money in the bars and burger vans.

[RS50]

Is it about time some more information was forthcoming?  Fixtures dates?  Riders named? Meeting format?

[HGould]

On 3/31/2021 at 7:39 PM, MattB said:

I've been to loads of meetings where the advertised start time is 7.30, yet at 7.35 they've only just started to wheel the bikes out for the parade.

I think there has been some improvement in recent years in terms of getting meetings run to time without messing about, but it's not always down to the promoters.  As most of them rent the stadium, they're landlords want delays because they want them to spend money in the bars and burger vans.

It's a problem at Monbore...mainly because due to Dog Meeting on a Monday afternoon the Speedway is locked out until around 6.15pm.

Most tracks including Brummies try to start very punctually and certainly a lot more so since Masons / Rogers took over PB.

[SSL84]

36 minutes ago, HGould said:

It's a problem at Monbore...mainly because due to Dog Meeting on a Monday afternoon the Speedway is locked out until around 6.15pm.

Most tracks including Brummies try to start very punctually and certainly a lot more so since Masons / Rogers took over PB.

See what happens at Birmingham when the new owners put dog meetings on a Wednesday and how it will affect speedway? And at wolves they are not locked out as you say, work goes on all day on the track,  it just riders are nor allowed in the pit area till after the last race. 

[HGould]

1 hour ago, Trackerman48 said:

See what happens at Birmingham when the new owners put dog meetings on a Wednesday and how it will affect speedway? And at wolves they are not locked out as you say, work goes on all day on the track,  it just riders are nor allowed in the pit area till after the last race. 

my point exactly...75 minutes maximum for Riders to prepare for the start and Staff in the Pits to be organised equals regularly late starts. Never mentioned the actual track.

Brummies don't have "new owners" the current ones have been there for quite a while, they have moved in to Kent, may be you are getting confused?

[SSL84]

4 minutes ago, HGould said:

my point exactly...75 minutes maximum for Riders to prepare for the start and Staff in the Pits to be organised equals regularly late starts. Never mentioned the actual track.

Brummies don't have "new owners" the current ones have been there for quite a while, they have moved in to Kent, may be you are getting confused?

Like I've said you will have the same problem as wolves when they start putting afternoon bags meetings on a Wednesday which they have already said they want to do. As that what being's in the most money,  

[Sings4Speedway]

As pointed out above 75minutes is not a great amount of time if you factor in the pits parking debacle that occurs at Brum. Both Wolves and Brum are planning to run MDL teams this year, plus challenges and the Prem Junior League at Monmore. Im not even sure there will be enough available dates without the inevitable call offs due to curfews/weather/lack of willing riders.

[BuxtonTiger]

Fixtures, do they start next week as was suggested with the A matches. Are BV v S and KL v I taking place. How are they effected by the great God and saviour of all TV?

[RS50]

Would it be a good idea to have the matches in the early part of the season? If they want to keep spectators apart, would reduce the rush to the car park after race 15.

[Trees]

Good luck to all riders

[Tom Thumb]

Well Kings Lynn vs Ipswich and Ipswich vs Belle Vue 'A' fixtures done and no sign of any Premiership Junior League matches.

[RS50]

Starting to wonder if this league will happen (this year) . Any updates would be appreciated.

[gazzac]

22 minutes ago, RS50 said:

Starting to wonder if this league will happen (this year) . Any updates would be appreciated.

Think it highly unlikely tbh

[Sings4Speedway]

Teams aren't completed yet, those that have been are only better end MDL standard and those riders know little more than the general public. With fixtures slipping by and riders requiring a sensible level of time to plan such journeys it feels highly unlikely that anything will happen....shock 

[gazzac]

1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Teams aren't completed yet, those that have been are only better end MDL standard and those riders know little more than the general public. With fixtures slipping by and riders requiring a sensible level of time to plan such journeys it feels highly unlikely that anything will happen....shock 

Think it was always lip service to the idea of a junior league in the Premiership, but would always be sub standard to the reduced level NDL and not really any better than the MDL to be honest. 

Edited May 26, 2021 by gazzac

[Sings4Speedway]

18 minutes ago, gazzac said:

Think it was always lip service to the idea of a junior league in the Premiership, but would always be sub standard to the reduced level NDL and not really any better than the MDL to be honest. 

I think the powers that be thought that it could be filled with NDL second strings and reserves looking for extra rides. The fact is that these riders are not going to travel the length and breadth of the country for naff all and to wait around all night for a few rushed through heats at the end. 

Had all the Prem teams committed to joining the MSDL, then something more workable could have been achieved. It could have even been re-named and split into more local groups to assist with the overall travelling. There are plenty of opportunities to generate meaningful second half racing and offer a little more value on ever more expensive race nights but sadly the deluded board of directors miss it almost every time. 

[RS50]

Anyone have any updates on this league?  Still going to happen?