Petecc Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 home & 2 away fixtures + maybe a final. Is there any real point to this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Petecc said: 2 home & 2 away fixtures + maybe a final. Is there any real point to this? The announcement is not even sure how many races will make up each fixture. Surely they should have sorted out how many riders are in a team and the race format before making the announcement? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Can see advantage of regionalization, but would have preferred home and away twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 39 minutes ago, Petecc said: 2 home & 2 away fixtures + maybe a final. Is there any real point to this? No 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 Anything that increases the number of rides juniors will get has to be a bonus. More track time equates to faster progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydog Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Chris116 said: The announcement is not even sure how many races will make up each fixture. Surely they should have sorted out how many riders are in a team and the race format before making the announcement? I read that another way... didnt he say clubs would run junior races as much as possible even if there wasnt a junior league match? That was what I thought the 3 or 4 races was referring to... I also read it as meaning that the junior league is for the lower NL riders who arent doubling up or on the rising star list. So I'm guessing this is a level in between the current Development Leagues and the NL. That wouldn't be a bad thing, its just a shame about the nomadic teams that will be missing, and the resulting reduction in team places for those trying to get in the NL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 It's a good idea in it's self But the question is will the riders support it. Racing for little or no reward on Monday or Thursday is a stretch if the riders or their traveling party have jobs to negotiate around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 Certainly sounds like a way of bolstering the shortfall in rides for the lower starred NL riders who have very few meetings already. That said i can't see even those turning up and racing in a second half for nothing. Nothing says closed shop like offering rides to riders who already have team places but it will at least give the chance to trial the new NL formats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 IMO the idea smacks of a quickly drawn up back of a fag packet plan to make up for the balls-up of telling the NL how to run their businesses 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted March 22, 2021 Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 What happens if the Senior fixture is rushed through due to weather and subsequent junior meeting gets rained off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 14 hours ago, Flappy said: What happens if the Senior fixture is rushed through due to weather and subsequent junior meeting gets rained off? 1) the paying public feel short changed (again?) 2) the junior riders miss out and wonder why they bother? 3) the paying public wonder why there was a 25 mins interval between the meetings. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 And a load of track grading or long pauses between re runs. All the usual garbage which people are fed up with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 14 hours ago, Flappy said: What happens if the Senior fixture is rushed through due to weather and subsequent junior meeting gets rained off? Probably the opposite to what happens if it's a sunny night, the senior fixture is completed without delay and the junior fixture goes ahead as planned. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, George Dodds said: Probably the opposite to what happens if it's a sunny night, the senior fixture is completed without delay and the junior fixture goes ahead as planned. Sunny night usually leads to a delay as the sun sets on the wrong part of the track.....currently the junior riders are easily dismissed as they are riders without team places the new setup appears to be utilising riders who have NL places so these will be far less quiet about any cancellations are far less likely to return (or indeed lure there midweek in the first place) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: Sunny night usually leads to a delay as the sun sets on the wrong part of the track.....currently the junior riders are easily dismissed as they are riders without team places the new setup appears to be utilising riders who have NL places so these will be far less quiet about any cancellations are far less likely to return (or indeed lure there midweek in the first place) apologies for not finding the negative - will try harder in future. A competition - no matter how limited - has been announced which will provide extra track time for those riders who want to, and can, utilise it. Potentially the weather, injuries and delays in the preceding main meeting may restrict or even lead to the cancellation of these races. Alternatively they may not. These opportunities did not exist in previous seasons. It seems like a good thing ... you and many others may disagree. The World might end tonight (or on any subsequent night ... or day) - which could lead to the postponement of the Premiership Junior League. Then again it might not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway fan Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Lefty said: 1) the paying public feel short changed (again?) 2) the junior riders miss out and wonder why they bother? 3) the paying public wonder why there was a 25 mins interval between the meetings. needs a good pits staff to get things moving along and known times for track grading and intervals. At Birmingham we achieved that and ran a slick presentation , had 10 min interval time for the kids to come out and have activities , ran MSDL 6 heats plus 125cc demos after heat 2, 4 and 6 and even had time for practice if we finished before the 10pm curfew . Just needs organisation and the right people in the jobs . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 30 minutes ago, George Dodds said: apologies for not finding the negative - will try harder in future. A competition - no matter how limited - has been announced which will provide extra track time for those riders who want to, and can, utilise it. Potentially the weather, injuries and delays in the preceding main meeting may restrict or even lead to the cancellation of these races. Alternatively they may not. These opportunities did not exist in previous seasons. It seems like a good thing ... you and many others may disagree. The World might end tonight (or on any subsequent night ... or day) - which could lead to the postponement of the Premiership Junior League. Then again it might not. Yes you must no place for positives here. The opportunities did exist in previous seasons and was run as the MDL/MSDL. Second half races run under the same format that did allow up to two NL level riders per team, hardly any took up the opportunity due to the fact it was an unpaid ride and the possibility of being beaten by those after their place. It ran very successfully driven by the hard work of very under valued volunteers until the ghost team ruling was passed thus driving out most competing teams and paving the way for this re-brand / claimed new event (all hail the BSPL). Five of the six PL teams have entered development league sides previously and all withdrew the level of support to these competitions. I see no reason why they simply couldn't have entered teams into an existing league and possibly created North/South groups from that if the travelling was a genuine concern? I would be delighted to be proven wrong and that this is all for the benefit of the sport with zero self serving interests but i fear this is just another step to pave the way for a final destruction of the current NL as we knew it.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 19 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Yes you must no place for positives here. The opportunities did exist in previous seasons and was run as the MDL/MSDL. Second half races run under the same format that did allow up to two NL level riders per team, hardly any took up the opportunity due to the fact it was an unpaid ride and the possibility of being beaten by those after their place. It ran very successfully driven by the hard work of very under valued volunteers until the ghost team ruling was passed thus driving out most competing teams and paving the way for this re-brand / claimed new event (all hail the BSPL). Five of the six PL teams have entered development league sides previously and all withdrew the level of support to these competitions. I see no reason why they simply couldn't have entered teams into an existing league and possibly created North/South groups from that if the travelling was a genuine concern? I would be delighted to be proven wrong and that this is all for the benefit of the sport with zero self serving interests but i fear this is just another step to pave the way for a final destruction of the current NL as we knew it.  You ever thought about applying for a job with the Samaritans ? Doom, doom, doom. Your upset with decisions that have been made, we get it. Move on . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ringitsneck said: You ever thought about applying for a job with the Samaritans ? Doom, doom, doom. Your upset with decisions that have been made, we get it. Move on . Nah sitting around and listening to people moan all day sounds very tedious Yes i am upset, disappointed, saddened, angry about the decisions that have been made and the BS spin that has been served up with it. In a couple of years when all the four leagues are flourishing i will happily congratulate the board for their superior forethought. If as i suspect there is only two and a bit leagues left i hope others acknowledge that writing has been on the wall for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 ... and while the MDL/SDL may have had its problems what about the successes of the Northern Junior League? Integrating 500cc and 125cc and this year trialling - along with Birmingham from the MDL - a way of bringing the 250cc classes into a meeting set-up. Obviously nothing and (virtually) nobody is perfect ... but at least some are trying to improve matters. Perhaps, just perhaps, there is more than a sticking plaster solution needed. The answer might be more important than whether towns without a team for decades are included in a league or not. Maybe it needs a radical overhaul - as long as teams don't pull out when they don't get their own, very club-centric, way. If all four leagues are flourishing in the future you'll still find something to whinge about . 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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