arnieg Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, steve roberts said: I recall that Hans broke the track record at Reading but was later withdrawn because it was achieved during a meeting that the tapes had failed and the starts were on the green light? Yes. But it was a) before, and b) slower - than Per's record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, arnieg said: Yes. But it was a) before, and b) slower - than Per's record. Thanks for that...I can't recall the year or time. So long ago now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 1 minute ago, steve roberts said: Thanks for that...I can't recall the year or time. So long ago now! 58.4 vs 58.1 in May of the same year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 11:52 AM, steve roberts said: Interesting to see Martin Ashby listed with 18...vastly underrated rider. Great to watch Don Rogers on Saturday afternoon and Martin Ashby Saturday evening late 60s According to Briggo Crash should have been World Champion. Quiet modest character, spoke to him at his workshop in Marlborough a few years ago. Was a regular on the Abbey terraces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 44 minutes ago, auntie doris said: Great to watch Don Rogers on Saturday afternoon and Martin Ashby Saturday evening late 60s According to Briggo Crash should have been World Champion. Quiet modest character, spoke to him at his workshop in Marlborough a few years ago. Was a regular on the Abbey terraces. If I recall Martin rode on the 1968 World Final without having a practice (?) as his promoter (Wally Mawdsley?) expected him to turn out for Exeter instead where, incidently, he had amassed an impressive average that season. Who knows if he had beem better prepared and on better equipment he may well have ended up on at least the rostrum? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted April 9, 2021 Report Share Posted April 9, 2021 Jason Crump and Chris Holder jointly hold the Eastbourne track record set in April 2008 ..... will Jason improve on that in 2021 ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 9, 2021 Report Share Posted April 9, 2021 Current Berwick track record holder at Berwick is Craig Cook with a time of 62.8 which was set in August 2015, giving Berwick`s track alterations a new track record will be set after Ht1 of the National League match with Armadale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) On 4/9/2021 at 6:23 PM, screm said: Current Berwick track record holder at Berwick is Craig Cook with a time of 62.8 which was set in August 2015, giving Berwick`s track alterations a new track record will be set after Ht1 of the National League match with Armadale. Was the track not altered before U 21 meeting last year,so there is already a new track record.? Edited April 12, 2021 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Talking of shortened tracks, I asked former Brummies promoter Joe Thurley back in 2007 why the old Ladbroke Stadium, Perry Barr track was shortened from 350 yards to 330 in 1974. His reply was that it wasn't shortened, they'd just measured it properly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 PREMIERSHIP: Belle Vue - 58.18 Dan Bewley (26 August 2019) Ipswich - 55.4 Niels-Kristian Iversen (5 September 2019) King's Lynn - 57.60 Nicki Pedersen (11 September 2002) King's Lynn [National League] - 59.50 Robert Lambert (19 June 2013) Peterborough - 57.3 Danny King (23 June 2019) & Tyron Proctor (15 July 2019) Peterborough [Conference League] - 63.4 Joe Cook (6 April 2003) Sheffield - 59.1 Ricky Ashworth (14 October 2010) Sheffield [Conference League] - 61.9 Trevor Harding (22 July 2002) Wolverhampton - 52.69 Niels-Kristian Iversen (29 August 2016) Wolverhampton (Raced as Cradley Heath) [National League] - 54.69 Josh Bates (9 August 2016) CHAMPIONSHIP Berwick - 62.8 Craig Cook (15 August 2015) Birmingham - 56.6 Jason Lyons (25 June 2008) & Kevin Doolan (2 July 2008) Birmingham [National League] - 58.6 Lee Smart (22 September 2010) Eastbourne - 57.0 Edward Kennett (27 July 2019) & Chris Harris (27 July 2019) Edinburgh - 54.0 Craig Cook (14 August 2015) Glasgow - 55.99 Tai Woffinden (4 August 2018) & Craig Cook (23 July 2019) Kent - Championship record yet to be set. Leicester - 59.94 Josh Bates (23 March 2019) Newcastle - 61.0 Kenni Larsen (24 October 2010) Plymouth - 48.12 Craig Cook (25 July 2015) Plymouth [National League] - 49.56 Ellis Perks (27 July 2018) :Poole - 56.91 Antonio Lindback (14 June 2006) THIS IS AT PREMIERSHIP LEVEL Redcar - 52.2 Chris Harris (22 October 2009) Redcar [National League] - 54.9 Darcy Ward (25 September 2008) Scunthorpe - 55.18 Nicolai Klindt (5 September 2014) Scunthorpe [National League] - 56.65 Ashley Birks (14 October 2011) NATIONAL DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE Armadale - 57.3 William Lawson (14 October 2005) Belle Vue - 60.10 Dan Bewley (19 July 2017) Berwick - NDL record yet to be set. Eastbourne - 57.1 Adam Ellis (24 September 2016 & 7 October 2016) Kent - 56.1 Adam Ellis (30 September 2016) Leicester - 61.66 Ellis Perks (31 August 2019) Mildenhall - 49.68 Steve Boxall (14 July 2013) Newcastle - 64.6 William Lawson (16 May 2004) OPEN LEAGUE TRACKS Isle of Wight - 66.1 Stefan Nielsen (13 April 2017) Iwade (Sittingbourne) - 58.0 Paul Hurry (Date Unknown) Lydd - 51.2 Aaron Jackson (26 July 2020) SOME DEFUNCT TRACKS Bournemouth - 60.25 Jay Herne (24 September 2009) Buxton - 52.9 James Wright (27 June 2004) Cleveland - 54.2 Tai Woffinden (2 August 2007) Coventry - 57.6 Chris Harris (22 May 2009) Coventry [National League] - 60.6 Adam Ellis (14 August 2016) Cradley Heath - 60.7 Hans Nielsen (18 July 1990) Exeter - 64.6 Mikael Max (24 August 2003) Halifax - 61.6 Michael Lee (Date Unknown) Hull - 64.4 Magnus Karlsson (30 June 2004) Lakeside - 56.8 Andreas Jonsson (30 May 2018) London - 60.6 Jason Crump (1996) Middlesbrough - 60.4 Joe Screen (1996) & Peter Karlsson (1996) Newport - 57.34 Charlie Gjedde (31 August 2011) Newport [National League] - 59.04 Todd Kurtz (17 April 2011) Norfolk - 64.2 Steve Bishop (30 August 1998) & Oliver Allen (19 September 1998) Northside - 50.1 Josh Bates (17 June 2012) Oxford - 56.2 Hans Nielsen (13 October 1988) Reading - 58.1 Per Jonsson (12 October 1987) Rye House - 54.7 Robert Lambert (1 August 2015) Rye House [National League] - 56.4 Tai Woffinden (27 July 2007] Scottish Monarchs - 62.9 Greg Hancock (1996) Skegness - 65.4 Jason McKenna (7 June 1998) Somerset - 55.12 Rory Schlein (17 July 2019) Somerset [Conference League] - 57.4 Richard Juul (6 October 2000) Stoke - 60.5 Tyron Proctor (8 August 2009) & Steve Johnston (26 September 2009) Stoke (National League] - 62.0 Andrew Tully (29 August 2007) Swindon - 60.30 Jason Doyle (11 July 2019) Swindon (National Trophy) - 67.66 Zach Wajtknecht (25 May 2017] Trelawny - 53.10 Emiliano Sanchez (20 August 2002) Weymouth - 50.9 Tim Webster (8 August 2009) Wimbledon - 56.4 Nathan Simpson & Henrik Gustafsson (Dates Unknown) Wimbledon [Conference League] - 59.5 Wayne Barrett (18 July 2002) Workington - 60.9 Craig Cook (12 August 2017) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 11:18 AM, compost said: Looking through my, incomplete, records covering the period 1929 to 2009 gives the following riders who have held track records (some of which may have been shared) - 18 TR's - Anders Michanek, Eric Langton, Frank Varey, Martin Ashby 19 - Peter Collins, Tom Farndon 20 - Sprouts Elder 21 - Michael Lee 23 - Phil Crump 27 - Vic Huxley 29 - John Jackson, Squib Burton 35 - Ivan Mauger, Ole Olsen 43 - John Louis Top spot goes to - Jack Parker with 55 I'm missing details for most of the 80's and the mid-to-late 50's and early 60's give few records being set - I think this was in part as for several seasons they didn't give heat times out. The numbers given are for a track record time being set not per track, so a meeting in which a track record was set in more than one heat would have each qualifying heat being included above (hope that makes sense). Above applies to British tracks only. Great piece of work. Just so I'm clear, the above calculation relates to the number of times they broke a track record on any track, at any time? So John Louis for example, might have broken the Ipswich record 43 times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest compost Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, falcace said: Just so I'm clear, the above calculation relates to the number of times they broke a track record on any track, at any time? So John Louis for example, might have broken the Ipswich record 43 times? The figures I quoted were the number of different times a rider held a track record, at any track. So yes John Louis could have only held the Ipswich track record on 43 occassions (he didn't but it would be theoretically possible). Theoretically those 43 records could have been consequetive heats i.e. heat 1 TR, heat 2 TR, heat 3 TR etc. I think the most that any rider has broken (or equalled) a track record in the same competition or match was 3 times. A quick update as I am reviewing the figures. Pre-war the star man was Vic Huxley with around 85 records (I can't look up the exact number at present) though overall (that's both pre- and post- war combined) Jack Parker leads with around 88. Ole Olsen is the best placed 'modern' era rider with around 55 (these figures are subject to review). One other thing to point out is that Pre-war there were a lot more records for riders to get than after the war. For instance, Pre-war there were 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (up to 10) Lap Track records which could be from a Flying-, Push-, clutch-, Standing- or Rolling- start. Some tracks also had local rider, lady rider and mile (both British and European) records (all these last categories are not included in the figures I've given). Hope that clarifies things for you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 The only problem was nearly all of them were hand timing and therefore not very accurate so they can nearly all be taken with a pinch of salt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 15 hours ago, mickthemuppet said: The only problem was nearly all of them were hand timing and therefore not very accurate so they can nearly all be taken with a pinch of salt Absolutely. I've never taken that much notice of track records or indeed winning times in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 In some ways, it reminds me of athletics where some records just hold more sway that others. For example, Scott Autrey's Exeter record lasted 17 years and was Beamon-esque! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted April 14, 2021 Report Share Posted April 14, 2021 Antonio Lindback’s Track Record at Poole will be 15 Years old this year....Are there any Current Track Records that are as old or older? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest compost Posted April 22, 2021 Report Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) For those interested, a quick update. Checked through pre-war that's available plus most of the period up to '65 (plus odds 'n ends after '64). The top 21 (as there is a 'tie' for 20th) is - Mainly pre-war but then with so many different track records available at the time its not surprising. Edited April 22, 2021 by compost Trying to remove duplicate table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest compost Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 As an update the latest top 10 (well 13 as there is a tie for 10th) is - Covers all Researcher updates to date plus up to 1968 in full. Mauger & Olsen tie for the top 80's riders Gordon Kennett is the top 90s rider with 21 in joint 35th place Martin Dugard is the top 00's rider with 16 in joint 48th Unlikely Mauger and Olsen (or anyone else will challenge Parker and Huxley) but I'd expect them to overtake Elder. BTW the 'decades' are from memory and for a rider last in competitive League racing in that decade. Only going to go to 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 That’s a tie for 11th place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest compost Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said: That’s a tie for 11th place. Doh ! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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