PHILIPRISING Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, mikebv said: Didn't Speedway have some link to several MP's a few years ago? Are they still there? NO, stopped after the last GE in December 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 On 3/5/2021 at 6:52 PM, uk_martin said: I'm assuming that the tax payers money isn't just going to be thrown around like confetti, and that to get any money off the Government, the sports governing bodies will have to present Full Business Cases for how much they want, why they deserve it, and what they will do with it, that will be to the greater good of the sport that the communities that benefit from the sport. Included in that will be an Equalities Impact Assessment (the Public Sector loves those) to ensure that everyone from as diverse a cross section of the community will benefit... SO... let's play a game... let''s pretend that it's YOUR job to write that Full Business Case to support a claim for financial assistance for speedway. How would it read? AND when you've had a go at doing it for yourself, ask yourself who at the BSPZzzz you would trust to present a Full Business Case on behalf of the whole sport without trousering 40% of the money awarded, like Terry Russell did, the last time some collective financial deal was struck (Sky TV, anyone?) LET'S not forget that without Terry Russell there would have been no Sky deal and quite rightly he had a percentage of it but not the figure you quote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: LET'S not forget that without Terry Russell there would have been no Sky deal and quite rightly he had a percentage of it but not the figure you quote. Think it was 25% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 I am sure a good many had tried to get "Speedway on the telly", and failed, before Russell managed it... A 'finders'' or 'brokers' fee would be a usual thing to then get paid... There was still a "hell of a lot of money" 'that went to the clubs over a good many years... A shame that money didn't get used well to further enhance the sport in the UK.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 3 hours ago, mikebv said: I am sure a good many had tried to get "Speedway on the telly", and failed, before Russell managed it... A 'finders'' or 'brokers' fee would be a usual thing to then get paid... There was still a "hell of a lot of money" 'that went to the clubs over a good many years... A shame that money didn't get used well to further enhance the sport in the UK.. VERY true ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: VERY true ... The bspa as it was should have bought Coventry stadium when it was up for sale with some of the money from sky. Had it as a Midland national stadium for all top meetings and also had all the offices there . And used for training and bringing on British riders. As it can be used 7 days a week? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Trackerman48 said: The bspa as it was should have bought Coventry stadium when it was up for sale with some of the money from sky. Had it as a Midland national stadium for all top meetings and also had all the offices there . And used for training and bringing on British riders. As it can be used 7 days a week? That was proposed by one of the promoters at the time, who put forward a working business case for the purchase but no action was taken. Edited March 7, 2021 by Gambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Gambo said: That was proposed by one of the promoters at the time, who put forward a working business case for the purchase but no action was taken. Yes I know gambo just think if it had of been taken up where it would be now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 Come along now folks .... you must be in fantasy land if you think that BSPL is interested in any other club except their own. They are just a loose group of individuals who run a local speedway track. Their collective decisions in the past few years have contributed to clubs closing down, and I dont recall any attempts to support assist new members to the "club" of BSPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 10 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: LET'S not forget that without Terry Russell there would have been no Sky deal and quite rightly he had a percentage of it but not the figure you quote. Only in speedway can such a blatant conflict of interest be heralded as some kind of heroism. And you wonder why the sport has gone down the pan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, uk_martin said: Only in speedway can such a blatant conflict of interest be heralded as some kind of heroism. And you wonder why the sport has gone down the pan. WHAT conflict of interest? He negotiated a deal on behalf of the BSPA, at their behest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: WHAT conflict of interest? He negotiated a deal on behalf of the BSPA, at their behest. Some might suggest there is a difference between a legitimate finders fee and blatantly lining your pocket at the expense of the organisation you are acting on behalf of. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted March 7, 2021 Report Share Posted March 7, 2021 51 minutes ago, arnieg said: Some might suggest there is a difference between a legitimate finders fee and blatantly lining your pocket at the expense of the organisation you are acting on behalf of. THEN in this case they would be wrong. The BSPA, unable to secure a TV deal, entered into a contract with Terry. No deal, no fee. This is not unusual for these sorts of negotiations especially in TV sports contracts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) On 3/7/2021 at 7:01 PM, PHILIPRISING said: WHAT conflict of interest? He negotiated a deal on behalf of the BSPA, at their behest. And there's the next non-surprise, the voice of journalistic wing of the speedway circus sounding out support for the corrupt practises infesting the governing body. What a lovely mutual back scratching arrangement you had, or even still have. You get fed some nicey nicey press releases so that you get enough to publish, and in return you agree to abstain from any investigative journalism (Belle Vue, anyone?), and you publicly voice your support for their every deed and misdemeanour. Speedway Star became the official propaganda vehicle for the BSPA. Not since the Soviet Communist Party had such a symbiotic relationship with Pravda and Isvestia has such a contemptable relationship existed. "What conflict of interest" may actually be the most investigative question that you've asked in the past 25 years. Well done. Keep it up. Edited March 8, 2021 by uk_martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, uk_martin said: And there's the next non-surprise, the voice of journalistic wing of the speedway circus sounding out support for the corrupt practises infesting the governing body. What a lovely mutual back scratching arrangement you had, or even still have. You get fed some nicey nicey press releases so that you get enough to publish, and in return you agree to abstain from any investigative journalism (Belle Vue, anyone?), and you publicly voice your support for their every deed and misdemeanour. Speedway Star became the official propaganda vehicle for the BSPA. Not since the Soviet Communist Party had such a symbiotic relationship with Pravda and Isvestia has such a contemptable relationship existed. "What conflict of interest" may actually be the most investigative question that you've asked in the past 25 years. Well done. Keep it up. NOT even worthy of a reply. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, uk_martin said: What a lovely mutual back scratching arrangement you had, or even still have. You get fed some nicey nicey press releases so that you get enough to publish, and in return you agree to abstain from any investigative journalism (Belle Vue, anyone?) I believe Tel was also once a shareholder in the Spar, although before the BSPA deal. Edited March 8, 2021 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: I believe Tel was also once a shareholder in the Spar, although before the BSPA deal. 9 hours ago, Humphrey Appleby said: I believe Tel was also once a shareholder in the Spar, although before the BSPA deal. HE was for a very short time when Pinegen needed some start up capital when we acquired Speedway Star from IPC Magazines. Without his help and that of three others we could not have got going and IPC would simply have shut it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, PHILIPRISING said: HE was for a very short time when Pinegen needed some start up capital when we acquired Speedway Star from IPC Magazines. Without his help and that of three others we could not have got going and IPC would simply have shut it down. Phil what people don't know is without Terry Russell there would not have been a sky deal even if his company had taken 1% 10% or 25% without out him no sky that's FACT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, Trackerman48 said: Phil what people don't know is without Terry Russell there would not have been a sky deal even if his company had taken 1% 10% or 25% without out him no sky that's FACT HAVE stated that many of times on the bsf over the years but some simply refuse to believe it. That is their problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted March 9, 2021 Report Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said: HAVE stated that many of times on the bsf over the years but some simply refuse to believe it. That is their problem. Thing is people like UK Martin always look for all negative and moan then just talks about Poland having the best and all polish tracks are the best in the world. Agree some track are great BUT not all there are rough tracks too. Don't think he goes to his local track anymore. Always just knocks British speedway. Edited March 9, 2021 by Trackerman48 Missed some words 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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