Islander15 Posted March 6, 2021 Report Share Posted March 6, 2021 11 hours ago, edmon said: We may be able to run without crowds prior to the date as amateur sports, which the NDL is classed, could be allowed before May 17. Armadale is prepared as COVID secure meetings were held last year and the guidance would be followed once again. Suppose it really depends if BSPL allow streaming which is available from Armadale. The BSPL said that some Championship meetings will be streamed. So presumably it’s being set up at the stadium for Edinburgh, so may as well be used timely to prevent any risk of a fixture pileup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 With the fixtures now out, Berwick appear to be going for double headers. Is their curfew still in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, BuxtonTiger said: With the fixtures now out, Berwick appear to be going for double headers. Is their curfew still in place? Not great news. I have to question the benefit to the Berwick riders Bickley & Flint having to put in the extra laps straight after the main meeting other than building excellent fitness? Same goes for the other sides using riders in both senior and junior sides, should anything unfortunate happen during the main meeting be it mechanical or physical then the Bullets become quite prone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, BuxtonTiger said: With the fixtures now out, Berwick appear to be going for double headers. Is their curfew still in place? Last double header we ran against Edinburgh / Glasgow end of 2019 season meeting started at 6-30pm. Fingers crossed we are allowed the same for 2021 Double Headers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Normski said: Last double header we ran against Edinburgh / Glasgow end of 2019 season meeting started at 6-30pm. Fingers crossed we are allowed the same for 2021 Double Headers. Will starting at 6:30pm harm your Bandits crowds though? That’s a relatively early start time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Normski said: Last double header we ran against Edinburgh / Glasgow end of 2019 season meeting started at 6-30pm. Fingers crossed we are allowed the same for 2021 Double Headers. Don’t think double headers are a great Idea,but that’s just my opinion.Pricing it to suit might be an issue crowd wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, Islander15 said: Will starting at 6:30pm harm your Bandits crowds though? That’s a relatively early start time. Most people are there well before that time for a 7pm start i am there for 6pm myself as i like a couple of pints to calm the nerves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 I think weekends tend to lend themselves better to earlier start times than week days but it won't be for everyone. Likewise the increased admission, for all those who bang he drum and support the new venture there will be plenty who have no interest in it and will be unhappy at paying for a product they have no intention in hanging around to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Normski said: Most people are there well before that time for a 7pm start i am there for 6pm myself as i like a couple of pints to calm the nerves Have berwick said what the admission will be yet for the double headers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Trackerman48 said: Have berwick said what the admission will be yet for the double headers? Nothing yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Normski said: Nothing yet As a berwick supporter do you think it will have a effect on crowds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: I think weekends tend to lend themselves better to earlier start times than week days but it won't be for everyone. Likewise the increased admission, for all those who bang he drum and support the new venture there will be plenty who have no interest in it and will be unhappy at paying for a product they have no intention in hanging around to see. Tend to agree, would have thought the NDL would have been more viable money wise as a stand alone meetings ,but thePromotion must have their reasons for doubling up.Hope it works out for them.Don’t think the NDL as a double header is as attractive as aChampionship double header.Maybe the later start to the season comes into the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Tend to agree, would have thought the NDL would have been more viable money wise as a stand alone meetings ,but thePromotion must have their reasons for doubling up.Hope it works out for them.Don’t think the NDL as a double header is as attractive as aChampionship double header.Maybe the later start to the season comes into the equation. It does seem odd that whenever calls for the NL to be a £10 product have been shot down but running as part of a double header makes it a £3-4 product. I can only think that expenses of staging a double header are greatly lesser than two individual meetings along with lesser riders on probably lower points monies. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dodds Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: It does seem odd that whenever calls for the NL to be a £10 product have been shot down but running as part of a double header makes it a £3-4 product. I can only think that expenses of staging a double header are greatly lesser than two individual meetings along with lesser riders on probably lower points monies. Suppose the obvious answer is that two separate meetings would mean two lots of stadium rent, two lots of medical cover, two programmes. While they still cost more for a double header I would suggest that is where any real saving comes from. Also potential for the bars and catering to make a bit extra with people in the stadium for that little bit extra time. There is also a possibility that those who complain it's not good value for 15 heats might find it a better deal for 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: I think weekends tend to lend themselves better to earlier start times than week days but it won't be for everyone. Likewise the increased admission, for all those who bang he drum and support the new venture there will be plenty who have no interest in it and will be unhappy at paying for a product they have no intention in hanging around to see. This is true. Weekends do facilitate an earlier start time in terms of work but what about those people desperate to spend time with their families that they haven’t done for months. The bigger issue though is there will be a section of supporters who are unhappy to pay £3-£4 more for a double header entry when they have no intention to watch the NL meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 47 minutes ago, Islander15 said: This is true. Weekends do facilitate an earlier start time in terms of work but what about those people desperate to spend time with their families that they haven’t done for months. The bigger issue though is there will be a section of supporters who are unhappy to pay £3-£4 more for a double header entry when they have no intention to watch the NL meeting. Why would you not watch it or at least some of it for £3/£4 ? A pint or 15 more heats of speedway with no extra travel costs??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: It does seem odd that whenever calls for the NL to be a £10 product have been shot down but running as part of a double header makes it a £3-4 product. I can only think that expenses of staging a double header are greatly lesser than two individual meetings along with lesser riders on probably lower points monies. It was mentioned in the SS by Jason Pipe that those who were making a living from riding NL would have to change that mindset.. You can only therefore think that part of the strategy of having so many 'novices' per team is simply done to keep the costs within what the clubs can afford to run their NL teams.. And £20 for 30 heats of Speedway is very good value for money I would say.. My only concern is if the whole 30 heats don't get completed, 'too regularly', would the fans then start to lose faith in the product..? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 30 minutes ago, mikebv said: It was mentioned in the SS by Jason Pipe that those who were making a living from riding NL would have to change that mindset.. You can only therefore think that part of the strategy of having so many 'novices' per team is simply done to keep the costs within what the clubs can afford to run their NL teams.. And £20 for 30 heats of Speedway is very good value for money I would say.. My only concern is if the whole 30 heats don't get completed, 'too regularly', would the fans then start to lose faith in the product..? Eastbourne is £24 plus prog for a double header. Do you consider that price is good value for money. I fear some of the 2nd matches might not go the full distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, mikebv said: It was mentioned in the SS by Jason Pipe that those who were making a living from riding NL would have to change that mindset.. You can only therefore think that part of the strategy of having so many 'novices' per team is simply done to keep the costs within what the clubs can afford to run their NL teams.. And £20 for 30 heats of Speedway is very good value for money I would say.. My only concern is if the whole 30 heats don't get completed, 'too regularly', would the fans then start to lose faith in the product..? Have to agree 30 heats won’t need many ‘ incidents’ not to go the distance at places like Berwick with a curfew, given that 15 of them are less experienced riders learning their trade. Fine for die-hards but might not be attractive to new supporters.Hope things go well for the Clubs running these double - headers though. Edited March 8, 2021 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 8, 2021 Report Share Posted March 8, 2021 39 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Eastbourne is £24 plus prog for a double header. Do you consider that price is good value for money. I fear some of the 2nd matches might not go the full distance. Each to their own I presume... Like all prices set, the customer will determine just how much £24 is regarded as VFM.... If enough pay to at least cover costs, or even make money, then the price set is the right one... Will teams just charge on these nights for one meeting only I wonder? (If they can do so logistically)... No disrespect but I would imagine a fair few wouldn't always be interested in staying behind to watch the NL lads so may actually get put off attending if it was £24 'all or nothing, take it or leave it'... Any away Championship team fans for example may want to get back home as soon as the main meeting finishes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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