Leicester Lion Cubs 2021

[phillwhitewasmad]

44 minutes ago, Lenny Lion said:

Max JAMES turns 15 early July on his birthday he become eligible for the Cubs & he will be brought into the team on his birthday .

Max PERRY has signed for Cubs & turns 15 in April which indicates the cubs won’t start till after then.

I think Stewart has put together a very good cubs side .

yep very good side. so if max is been brought in on his birthday who's for the chop and season hasn't even started 

[PotteringAround]

1 hour ago, Lenny Lion said:

Max JAMES turns 15 early July on his birthday he become eligible for the Cubs & he will be brought into the team on his birthday .

Not very encouraging news for Vinnie Foord, if he's being booted out in July 

[W9 Lion]

5 hours ago, Ghosty said:

Nothing personal against Dan - But it looks like he will be riding in all 3 leagues! This gives G.B. speedway no credibility & shows what a bunch of incompetent "persons" we have running our sport. With many riders riding for 2 different teams that is so negative P.R. as it is - But 3 different leagues, totally bonkers.

Or maybe it shows a pathway for a rider to develop going into his third season.

[HGould]

Leicester have tried to build up an asset base in recent seasons and running NDL and being one of the main bases for GB Youth Training days helps too. 

It should be remembered though that no one can sign an actual contract until they are 16 so it doesn't follow all would become Leicester assets. 

I'm sure Perry and James have already agreed notices of intent to sign elsewhere as possibly Trigger did when he's 16 this May which is why he's been allowed to leave. 

With Poland the ultimate aim for these youngsters and those now moving up the pyramid it will work against any weekend track like Leicester longer term in seeing the full fruits of their labour's as the best will be cherry picked by the Poles. 

Not hard to imagine Stewart Dickson is already working on being in PL in a few years time with Thompsons and other young talent racing on a weekday. 

Everything about Leicester like Poole and Glasgow would fit in to an enlarged PL. It needs around a dozen of the Rising Stars to develop though to staff that bigger League and PL to be more commercially viable than Sweden. 

I can see that transition happening in 2 to 3 seasons as Swedes have no conveyor belt like we do. 

Increased GP and GP2 and Poland could mean UK at professional levels runs Monday to Friday in majority of cases and more at NDL level on a weekend. 

 

[IronScorpion]

3 hours ago, PotteringAround said:

Yes, It's you that needs to do the homework   

You've included a link to Leicester's signing of Max Perry (who is eligible to race for the Lion Cubs after his 15th birthday in April).

This of course has no connection to the question asked on this thread about Max James' 15th birthday in July.

 

2 hours ago, Lenny Lion said:

Max JAMES turns 15 early July on his birthday he become eligible for the Cubs & he will be brought into the team on his birthday .

Max PERRY has signed for Cubs & turns 15 in April which indicates the cubs won’t start till after then.

I think Stewart has put together a very good cubs side .

A BIG WHOOPS!  ........  sorry, multi tasking on several threads & posted about MAX.

[PowerfulPierre]

On 1/6/2022 at 11:44 AM, Ghosty said:

Nothing personal against Dan - But it looks like he will be riding in all 3 leagues! This gives G.B. speedway no credibility & shows what a bunch of incompetent "persons" we have running our sport. With many riders riding for 2 different teams that is so negative P.R. as it is - But 3 different leagues, totally bonkers.

I take your point regarding the credibility of the sport, but riding in all 3 leagues didn't do Ellis Perks any harm and he arguably won us the league with his heroics up in Glasgow. I'll settle for Dan being given opportunities to build on what he's already achieved. This will hopefully be a massive year for him coming on!

[Fortythirtyeight]

On 1/6/2022 at 12:09 PM, Gambo said:

I disagree about the negative PR bit. Although Dan (and others) are named as #8 for PL sides, they are not guaranteed any outings!

So Dan (and others) are predominately going to be CL & NDL riders with the occasional PL outing.

Are you saying that Dan (and others) should miss out on potentially 10+ confidence boosting NDL meetings in favour of a few (if any) PL meetings?

To be fare to ‘ Ghosty ‘ he/she makes a good point. We are expecting a complete novice new to the NDL , who may race once a fortnight if he’s lucky to then race against a rider who turns out twice a week in the championship and perhaps once a week against Grand Prix standard riders?

Trying to get new fans is hard enough when you say our rider ‘X’ also rides for another team in a higher/ lower division ?

Theres an imbalance there that you simply cannot explain to non speedway folk with any sense of credibility.

[Islander15]

22 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

To be fare to ‘ Ghosty ‘ he/she makes a good point. We are expecting a complete novice new to the NDL , who may race once a fortnight if he’s lucky to then race against a rider who turns out twice a week in the championship and perhaps once a week against Grand Prix standard riders?

Trying to get new fans is hard enough when you say our rider ‘X’ also rides for another team in a higher/ lower division ?

Theres an imbalance there that you simply cannot explain to non speedway folk with any sense of credibility.

When you put it like that it does sound nonsensical. But I think the thing we don’t know at the minute is how will the Premiership number 8s really play out. Sheffield’s number 7 might not get injured and Thompson might never ride or can he fill in incase of loss of form?

[Fortythirtyeight]

14 minutes ago, Islander15 said:

When you put it like that it does sound nonsensical. But I think the thing we don’t know at the minute is how will the Premiership number 8s really play out. Sheffield’s number 7 might not get injured and Thompson might never ride or can he fill in incase of loss of form?

Typical speedway…..we don’t know how it will work and neither do the people who brought it in, it will just get made up when it suits them .

[Sings4Speedway]

1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

To be fare to ‘ Ghosty ‘ he/she makes a good point. We are expecting a complete novice new to the NDL , who may race once a fortnight if he’s lucky to then race against a rider who turns out twice a week in the championship and perhaps once a week against Grand Prix standard riders?

Trying to get new fans is hard enough when you say our rider ‘X’ also rides for another team in a higher/ lower division ?

Theres an imbalance there that you simply cannot explain to non speedway folk with any sense of credibility.

Obviously the "plan" to create positions in CL teams so riders were forced to move up and out of the NDL has been scrapped rather than expanded (because it was poorly thought out once again) but there still could have been dare i say it "sensible restrictions" placed upon team building in both NDL and CL. Its been seen time and time again when a 2/3 point reserve takes to the track with a 10+ heatleader and surprise surprise the racing is processional. If the Upper cap of averages was limited it would force the level of riders to be closer together and just might create better racing and development of riders. 

If the cap was a 10 point average then only two riders would have been ineligible from the NL (Gilkes & Thompson) if it was 9 those two plus Kinsley and Jenkins would be forced to move on. Hardly dramatic but would keep rider ability levels closer together. 

[Fortythirtyeight]

2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Obviously the "plan" to create positions in CL teams so riders were forced to move up and out of the NDL has been scrapped rather than expanded (because it was poorly thought out once again) but there still could have been dare i say it "sensible restrictions" placed upon team building in both NDL and CL. Its been seen time and time again when a 2/3 point reserve takes to the track with a 10+ heatleader and surprise surprise the racing is processional. If the Upper cap of averages was limited it would force the level of riders to be closer together and just might create better racing and development of riders. 

If the cap was a 10 point average then only two riders would have been ineligible from the NL (Gilkes & Thompson) if it was 9 those two plus Kinsley and Jenkins would be forced to move on. Hardly dramatic but would keep rider ability levels closer together. 

Which would the lead to average fixing so not an answer at all ( yes, it has gone on ).

 The NDL is supposed to be a ‘ development ‘ league not a ‘ boost your earnings ‘ league so, if your good enough , move up a league and give another ‘ novice ‘ a chance of a team place in the NDL. There’s riders already declared in the NDL AND Championship who say their disappointed to not yet have a Premiership place, which is ridiculous. We only have a small amount of NDL teams so a small amount of places to develop , so let’s use them wisely.
 

[ljriley90]

Do ndl riders get points money or expenses for making it to tapes

[szkocjasid]

On 1/7/2022 at 2:57 PM, Sings4Speedway said:

Obviously the "plan" to create positions in CL teams so riders were forced to move up and out of the NDL has been scrapped rather than expanded (because it was poorly thought out once again) but there still could have been dare i say it "sensible restrictions" placed upon team building in both NDL and CL. Its been seen time and time again when a 2/3 point reserve takes to the track with a 10+ heatleader and surprise surprise the racing is processional. If the Upper cap of averages was limited it would force the level of riders to be closer together and just might create better racing and development of riders. 

If the cap was a 10 point average then only two riders would have been ineligible from the NL (Gilkes & Thompson) if it was 9 those two plus Kinsley and Jenkins would be forced to move on. Hardly dramatic but would keep rider ability levels closer together. 

Both Gilkes & D Thompson are still very inexperienced having ridden only 1 season at Champ level, so they are clearly still "developing" is that not what the NDL is for?

Just because a rider is good doesn't mean he shouldn't race in NDL imo. I guess you could argue any U21 rider should be allowed to stay in the NDL (if they want to)?

[szkocjasid]

On 1/7/2022 at 12:08 PM, PowerfulPierre said:

I take your point regarding the credibility of the sport, but riding in all 3 leagues didn't do Ellis Perks any harm and he arguably won us the league with his heroics up in Glasgow. I'll settle for Dan being given opportunities to build on what he's already achieved. This will hopefully be a massive year for him coming on!

Racing in all 3 leagues would certainly suit the rider in question, but I think it's a shame if some riders can't get a team or only have one team, while others have 3. My other thought is, if you're good enough for the Prem you're too good for the NDL!

[szkocjasid]

On 1/7/2022 at 2:57 PM, Sings4Speedway said:

Obviously the "plan" to create positions in CL teams so riders were forced to move up and out of the NDL has been scrapped rather than expanded (because it was poorly thought out once again) but there still could have been dare i say it "sensible restrictions" placed upon team building in both NDL and CL. Its been seen time and time again when a 2/3 point reserve takes to the track with a 10+ heatleader and surprise surprise the racing is processional. If the Upper cap of averages was limited it would force the level of riders to be closer together and just might create better racing and development of riders. 

If the cap was a 10 point average then only two riders would have been ineligible from the NL (Gilkes & Thompson) if it was 9 those two plus Kinsley and Jenkins would be forced to move on. Hardly dramatic but would keep rider ability levels closer together. 

I think the RS system worked too well, most of the reserves are now second strings, so to keep the RS system would mean moving up the next bunch on prospects, who are far weaker & Champ sides don't want to weaken their league!

[Sings4Speedway]

3 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

I think the RS system worked too well, most of the reserves are now second strings, so to keep the RS system would mean moving up the next bunch on prospects, who are far weaker & Champ sides don't want to weaken their league!

But that was how the RS system was billed, as a non stop conveyor belt. It was obvious too many that it wouldn't happen/work and that it was just capitalising on a particular year with a stronger crop of riders than usual. If a system for succession is put in place then stick to it and do something to actually help it succeed. As ever the great 5 year masterplans get dropped after a year or two because they are flawed, ill conceived and poorly regarded by the idiots who introduced them in the first place. 

[Skodaman]

On 1/10/2022 at 12:06 PM, szkocjasid said:

Racing in all 3 leagues would certainly suit the rider in question, but I think it's a shame if some riders can't get a team or only have one team, while others have 3. My other thought is, if you're good enough for the Prem you're too good for the NDL!

But the PL no 8s may not get any rides.

[Teromaafan]

Not sure how much Dan (mainly) and Joe (to a lesser extent) will benefit from another season at this level. It might well be additional laps but I can’t see either of them having to ‘race’ for many points. Hopefully their home performances will not lead any complacency that could be carried forward to Championship level. I don’t know what the third tier pays but presumably it justifies the time and expenses incurred at this level?

[Gambo]

12 hours ago, Teromaafan said:

Not sure how much Dan (mainly) and Joe (to a lesser extent) will benefit from another season at this level. It might well be additional laps but I can’t see either of them having to ‘race’ for many points. Hopefully their home performances will not lead any complacency that could be carried forward to Championship level. I don’t know what the third tier pays but presumably it justifies the time and expenses incurred at this level?

Last season, both riders went through a tough patch with low scores and, in my opinion, the scarcity of NL fixtures at the time did not allow them any confidence re-building rides. Extra track time is always welcomed by both.

[rcgods]

On 1/7/2022 at 8:00 PM, ljriley90 said:

Do ndl riders get points money or expenses for making it to tapes

They get points money and travel expenses.  Neither of which make the racing profitable in any way especially with the current prices of diesel.

Some riders I have been involved with this has been £10 a point and 10p a mile.