Plymouth Gladiators 2021

[torpointfanatic22]

1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

So you think it great to develop young riders,then in the next sentence you are going to have to drop them to get a higher middle order man to strengthen the Team!

I said 'if required'. Also nothing stopping us strengthening with another youngster is there.

[cyclone]

As Edinburgh were previously denied a Work Permit for Luke Becker not finshing in the top 4 of the current US State Championship, how does Dillon Ruml qualify for a permit, given he was not in the top 4 in the US this Season?

[stevehone]

 

[Mr Blobby]

1 hour ago, cyclone said:

As Edinburgh were previously denied a Work Permit for Luke Becker not finshing in the top 4 of the current US State Championship, how does Dillon Ruml qualify for a permit, given he was not in the top 4 in the US this Season?

Finished top 4 in the US national 2 seasons ago. So qualifies through that. 

[stevebrum]

5 hours ago, torpointfanatic22 said:

I reckon the last rider will be a bit of a surprise that none of us see coming.

As for the team, I think it's great to have young riders that can develop and on 4 point averages they aren't too big a gamble imo. For this team to be competitive you have to think that one of Cook, Ruml or the final rider will have to hit the ground running and score big points early on but that said I do think at home Plymouth will compete. After the first set of averages when Crump and Pedersen likely free up about 4 points, Plymouth should be able to strengthen considerably in the middle order, if required.

They started with 2 surprises that no one saw coming so would be excellent for the last one to be another one. 
It makes you wonder why the BSPA were so against them joining for the past couple of seasons. They have been a breath of fresh air and excitement to British season for, hopefully, the new season.

Some of the more established promotions could learn a thing or two from the Plymouth promotion. 

[enotian]

23 hours ago, Sherborne Green said:

Just looking who has already signed up for teams and the green sheets for the end of 2019 who did you have in mind on a 4.00 average?

That's the point though isn't it.  By giving these riders a low assessed average of 4.00 you can't blame the promoters for going for two assessed foreign riders ahead of say a UK 5.00 and 3.00 who maybe haven't shown signs of improvement.  It always seems worth the gamble especially now you might have seen footage of the foreign rider in action and apparently they become an asset of the club rather pay a loan fee.

Had those assessed foreign averages been 5.00 then there's some more jeopardy as to whether a newcomer would achieve that level so the likes of Mountain, Greaves, Sarjeant, Kinsley, Smith and Ruddick might have got places.  Notwithstanding that there are still places available elsewhere so hopefully they do all get fixed up.

But you can see the incentive to go for a new foreign rider on 4.00 over a UK rider which doesn't really fit in with the Rising Star ethos.

[Sings4Speedway]

22 minutes ago, enotian said:

That's the point though isn't it.  By giving these riders a low assessed average of 4.00 you can't blame the promoters for going for two assessed foreign riders ahead of say a UK 5.00 and 3.00 who maybe haven't shown signs of improvement.  It always seems worth the gamble especially now you might have seen footage of the foreign rider in action and apparently they become an asset of the club rather pay a loan fee.

Had those assessed foreign averages been 5.00 then there's some more jeopardy as to whether a newcomer would achieve that level so the likes of Mountain, Greaves, Sarjeant, Kinsley, Smith and Ruddick might have got places.  Notwithstanding that there are still places available elsewhere so hopefully they do all get fixed up.

But you can see the incentive to go for a new foreign rider on 4.00 over a UK rider which doesn't really fit in with the Rising Star ethos.

That would wash if the foreign rider just came in on a 4.00 average and was on a comparable deal to a Brit but when they are sponsored there is accommodation supplied, workshop facilities a guaranteed wage etc. If the emerging Brits were afforded this level of luxury they could they could focus on racing, fitness and bike prep without the additional stresses of having to earn enough to keep a roof over their heads.

[mikebv]

32 minutes ago, enotian said:

That's the point though isn't it.  By giving these riders a low assessed average of 4.00 you can't blame the promoters for going for two assessed foreign riders ahead of say a UK 5.00 and 3.00 who maybe haven't shown signs of improvement.  It always seems worth the gamble especially now you might have seen footage of the foreign rider in action and apparently they become an asset of the club rather pay a loan fee.

Had those assessed foreign averages been 5.00 then there's some more jeopardy as to whether a newcomer would achieve that level so the likes of Mountain, Greaves, Sarjeant, Kinsley, Smith and Ruddick might have got places.  Notwithstanding that there are still places available elsewhere so hopefully they do all get fixed up.

But you can see the incentive to go for a new foreign rider on 4.00 over a UK rider which doesn't really fit in with the Rising Star ethos.

Spot on...

The sport has riddled itself over the years with "journeymen" from overseas that have been on an almost revolving door basis..

"Tried him, didnt work. Next!"

Must have collectively paid huge money out too for what on a lot of occasions has been short term results...

[enotian]

3 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

That would wash if the foreign rider just came in on a 4.00 average and was on a comparable deal to a Brit but when they are sponsored there is accommodation supplied, workshop facilities a guaranteed wage etc. If the emerging Brits were afforded this level of luxury they could they could focus on racing, fitness and bike prep without the additional stresses of having to earn enough to keep a roof over their heads.

All the more reason to increase the 4.00 starting average for new foreign riders. Not a pop at those teams that have taken advantage of this if they can as it's all within the rules. Whilst acknowledging how big a part foreign riders have to play, I think if you're serious about allowing UK riders to progress removing these low averages for foreign riders has to be considered. 

[TotallyHonestJohn]

On 2/23/2021 at 8:07 AM, Panthers99 said:

Dillon Ruml it is. Anyone have any ideas what points are left for the remaining riders?

 

On 2/23/2021 at 10:11 AM, Doners123 said:

I could be very wrong but I work it out as 3.62. If Ruml and cook come in on 4 each. 

 

On 2/23/2021 at 10:58 AM, Dandelion said:

5.61 left as far as I can tell

5.73 remaining for a foreigner or 5.87 for a Brit

Regards
THJ

[torpointfanatic22]

Plymouth Gladiators have completed their 2021 line up with 19-year-old Frenchman, Steven Goret.

Marmande born Goret is something of a motorcycling all-rounder, having competed in speedway and longtrack events across Europe, as well as being a keen Motocross rider.

Back in 2015 Goret also competed in the FIM World 250 championship when one of his rivals was Gladiators’ teammate, Henry Atkins, the duo striking up a good friendship.

‘There’s a lot of people saying good things about this young man and he’s certainly a rider with huge potential’, said promoter Mark Phillips. ‘I’m impressed with his track record and am thrilled to have signed him. The lad has a great future and the fact that he also knows Henry will help him settle in’.

As well as riding for the Gladiators, Steven, who has been riding since he was nine years old, will continue to race for his French club Lamothe at their track in South-West France, which is owned by his father and where a Speedway Grand Prix Qualifying round will be staged at the end of May. 

 

Edited February 27, 2021 by torpointfanatic22

[Dandelion]

2 minutes ago, torpointfanatic22 said:

Plymouth Gladiators have completed their 2021 line up with 19-year-old Frenchman, Steven Goret.

Marmande born Goret is something of a motorcycling all-rounder, having competed in speedway and longtrack events across Europe, as well as being a keen Motocross rider.

Back in 2015 Goret also competed in the FIM World 250 championship when one of his rivals was Gladiators’ teammate, Henry Atkins, the duo striking up a good friendship.

‘There’s a lot of people saying good things about this young man and he’s certainly a rider with huge potential’, said promoter Mark Phillips. ‘I’m impressed with his track record and am thrilled to have signed him. The lad has a great future and the fact that he also knows Henry will help him settle in’.

As well as riding for the Gladiators, Steven, who has been riding since he was nine years old, will continue to race for his French club Lamothe at their track in South-West France, which is owned by his father and where a Speedway Grand Prix Qualifying round will be staged at the end of May. 

 

OMG GORET IS IN BRITISH SPEEDWAY?  YES!!! This is a rider I've be VERY excited about, and he's signed for one of my teams!!  So excited... This team is gonna be amazing to watch.

What average do French riders come in on? Is it 4.00 or 5.00?

[arnieg]

I'm not quite as excited as dandelion, but it is a good signing, his 2020 results suggested rapid progress that makes me think he could be a valuable asset to Plymouth if he sticks around

[lewy]

2 hours ago, Dandelion said:

OMG GORET IS IN BRITISH SPEEDWAY?  YES!!! This is a rider I've be VERY excited about, and he's signed for one of my teams!!  So excited... This team is gonna be amazing to watch.

What average do French riders come in on? Is it 4.00 or 5.00?

4

[Gunner85]

Good to see another young American starting a British career.

Good luck to Plymouth in 2021

[MartinBSN]

3 hours ago, lewy said:

4

It'll be 5 won't it? Europeans tend to come in on a 5.

[lewy]

2 minutes ago, Marshall07 said:

It'll be 5 won't it? Europeans tend to come in on a 5.

4 it is,he can start  on 5 if you want we got a bit to spare.

[Bagpuss]

This team is certainly going to put bums on seats and it has a look of one which could win handsomely or get clattered on any given day. 

[HenryW]

Does anyone know what the visa requirements for EU riders like Goret are?

Now that we have left the EU they must surely have criteria similar to those which US, Australian, Russian, Ukrainian, etc riders have to meet.

[SteveLyric2]

As far as Goret is concerned I'm sure a quiet word and a brown envelope to Sarkozy will do the trick!!