phillwhitewasmad Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: I would guess that the cut off between a 3* rider and a 4* is an average of 3.50 which may explain why Kemp and Bickley have been designated 4* riders Regards THJ Drew's a 3 Kyle is 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, phillwhitewasmad said: Drew's a 3 Kyle is 4 Yep I don't get that one at all Phil... But never mind... just got to be positive and this time next year we could all be millionaires... Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Najjer said: So you’re saying that the list hasn’t been finalised and teams are signing riders without the grades actually being finalised? That probably makes it even worse! Stopped reading things I see ?. The list has been complied, the star ratings agreed, and the riders (in private by post) have been asked if they wish to be on board with it, and then the finalised scheme and riders involved will be announced no doubt. Yes, some riders already have team places because they are good, but only one per team at the moment. See you are going the over the top again. Edited February 1, 2021 by Tsunami 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Yep I don't get that one at all Phil... But never mind... just got to be positive and this time next year we could all be millionaires... Regards THJ Is based on the average they have at the present time . There had to be a line and unfortunately one is one side of it and another is the other side. It is an anomaly but if exceptions were made to start it there would be a case for loads of riders to moan about their grading. To me it's pretty fair but only time will tell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Lol... Well spotted... some anomaly there then... it looks like it's geared towards the top league to me and the Prem is getting dragged along for the ride... It looks a complete pile of Pony but that's just a personal opinion of course... Regards THJ Current average is only one factor in the star selection task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Stopped reading things I see ?. The list has been complied, the star ratings agreed, and the riders (in private by post) have been asked if they wish to be on board with it, and then the finalised scheme and riders involved will be announced no doubt. Yes, some riders already have team places because they are good, but only one per team at the moment. See you are doing the over the top again. Is it me dave or are people getting this wrong. The grading was done so every team could keep there's for 2021 if they had a young British rider at reserve. The main change will be for 2022 when 2 have to be used and some riders on list potentially will either leave it due to success or decide it's not for them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, GAH said: having watched both riders ride for the colts flint is way far better by a country mile !! While you might’ve right regarding the future,but both have roughly the same average( under 4).I have seen Bickley a lot over the last 3 seasons and don’t think he has shown the improvement everyone expect,he has certainly been given plenty of chances with Workington and Glasgow.He does not seem to have speed,plenty of style ,but not a lot of battling qualities,he is still young though.Flint has that bit of bottle and is still young, he has had a good bit of track time over the last couple of seasons though.It will be interesting to see if he steps up over the next couple of seasons. To me it the usual with the youngsters nowadays a bit a dirt on the track and they struggle with the rocket ships they are on.Slick track throttle jockeys. Edited February 1, 2021 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Stopped reading things I see ?. The list has been complied, the star ratings agreed, and the riders (in private by post) have been asked if they wish to be on board with it, and then the finalised scheme and riders involved will be announced no doubt. Yes, some riders already have team places because they are good, but only one per team at the moment. See you are doing the over the top again. I haven’t stopped reading, but thanks for being patronising. Thanks for also confirming... team places and riders are being signed before the list has been finalised by the powers that be. 9 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Is it me dave or are people getting this wrong. The grading was done so every team could keep there's for 2021 if they had a young British rider at reserve. The main change will be for 2022 when 2 have to be used and some riders on list potentially will either leave it due to success or decide it's not for them So the rules have been bent and created to suit certain teams? Because Newcastle, Poole, Redcar and Edinburgh are going to have to make changes to their teams. Funny enough Scunthorpe don’t and have even confirmed their ‘rising star’ before the list as Tsunami has said has even been sorted or confirmed.... it does make you wonder! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 35 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Current average is only one factor in the star selection task. Oh and who you been talking to Dave to become an overnight expert on the subject... Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Oh and who you been talking to Dave to become an overnight expert on the subject... Regards THJ Think about that John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Well having spent some time reading thro this, IMO the bspa ( or whatever they call themselves these days ) have made a relatively simple idea into a mind boggling minefield leaving all sorts of questions to be answered. Maybe the official release may make things clearer ?? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Think about that John. Aye well ya not getting the full picture but a love ya confidence to argue from authority... but never mind as Neila states above the official release may make things clearer ? But from what I have been told I very much doubt it... Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 21 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Lol... Well spotted... some anomaly there then... it looks like it's geared towards the top league to me and the Prem is getting dragged along for the ride... It looks a complete pile of Pony but that's just a personal opinion of course... Regards THJ Bickley has now done 2 full seasons and Kemp just one. If that's the mechanism fair enough. I must admit I'm not a fan of forcing teams to have a youngster because it's more difficult for some teams to develop riders and I like to see teams which a structured differently. I was looking forward to seeing Mountain and Wright at reserve for the Diamonds in 2020. We'd have been clattered in heats 13 and 15 but might have been stronger in heats 2, 8, 12 and 14. Can often lead to topsy turvy matches which has to be good. But given the problems with rider availability it's probably a good idea for these circumstances. And if it means some of these riders progress to international stardom then all well and good even if that means they can no longer/don't want to ride in the UK. Hopefully the clear pathway for young riders will attract new batches. I recall BSB did something similar years ago that propelled Rea, Hill and Sykes to varying degrees of stardom. All I would have done was re-assess all experienced riders say 5 full seasons (S Lambert, W Lawson, Sarjeant, J Wright etc) to a minimum 5 point average for team building. Likewise for non UK riders. Just like nobody can average lower than 2 even if they do. Then teams could still decide to select a strength in depth team if they couldn't access a suitable youngster. There's a natural incentive to selecting 2 point youngsters anyway as they're most likely to add points to their starting average, which is the name of the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunny1 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Najjer said: I haven’t stopped reading, but thanks for being patronising. Thanks for also confirming... team places and riders are being signed before the list has been finalised by the powers that be. So the rules have been bent and created to suit certain teams? Because Newcastle, Poole, Redcar and Edinburgh are going to have to make changes to their teams. Funny enough Scunthorpe don’t and have even confirmed their ‘rising star’ before the list as Tsunami has said has even been sorted or confirmed.... it does make you wonder! Scunthorpe's Rising Star was confirmed to be included in the team in 2019 and was presented to a fan's forum before he was even old enough to ride for them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, scunny1 said: Scunthorpe's Rising Star was confirmed to be included in the team in 2019 and was presented to a fan's forum before he was even old enough to ride for them. You’ve missed the point - if the list isn’t confirmed and it’s still being worked as has been said on this thread, surely that needs to be finalised before riders can confirmed? Orrrrrrr maybe the list is confirmed and sorted and is just being kept a big secret until the mere minions that follow the sport need to know? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 Wonder what rising star has been told he’s going to Edinburgh.That’s enough for him to hang up his leathers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 6 hours ago, Fromafar said: Wonder what rising star has been told he’s going to Edinburgh.That’s enough for him to hang up his leathers The journey or the track 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 Don't think he's missed the point at all. This scheme is introduced for 2021 but main implementation for 2022. Some Clubs with riders like Bailey; Edwards ; Flint; Gilkes ; Jenkins; Palin; Thomas; Thompson etc had a young British No 7 selected and CONFIRMED for 2020. Why on earth would you move those out or change them, or un-confirm someone already confirmed? Some Clubs have more than one off the scheme but in 2021 the only issue is No 7, so why would those with a couple have to give up one when there are dozens to choose from? The questions are more about 2022. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 25/01/2021 at 10:46 AM, Fromafar said: Agree.Nothing’s simple in British Speedway though.Self Interest always wins. This * system is just madness ( my opinion ) what's wrong with the old style system ( 2nd half races ) where there could be 3 races & riders day based in the south etc could go to kent Poole etc have rides & are told that if they want to be in the team next week & then the rider could accept or decline & that's less pressure on the rider to perform to ( & that could be the top 2 riders in the 2nd half ) wonder if would work.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 7 hours ago, Najjer said: You’ve missed the point - if the list isn’t confirmed and it’s still being worked as has been said on this thread, surely that needs to be finalised before riders can confirmed? Orrrrrrr maybe the list is confirmed and sorted and is just being kept a big secret until the mere minions that follow the sport need to know? No the point is that certain teams namely Eastbourne and Glasgow insisted that teams were ever possible should remain the same so the starting point was that . So with Eastbourne having a 3 and 4 star riders already in for 2020 they could remain for 2021 .Newcastle and Redcar had to make changes anyway because of riders not coming back Riss was known well before the announcement the two foreigners at Newcastle had said weeks before so not in the equation for team changes under rising star programme. As previously said poole had to change due to 2 Aussie riders at reserve and Edinburgh because of not having a British rider who met the criteria. I don't understand why people are concerned about 2021 as it is just an expansion of 2020. Let's see what 2022 brings . the list is finalised for this year as teams were picked 20 months ago ps all promoters vote for this not just the directors 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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