Najjer Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 12:27 PM, Skidder1 said: Maybe just an investigation into how the FIM today published the draft list??!! Albeit Somerset's fixtures are still included!! Another utter shambles. Draft fixtures or not, if only the BSPL had been transparent after the AGM and made an announcement to say fixtures would be released once confirmed.... why do they have to wait until a cock up has been made and then try to cover their tracks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, old bob at herne bay said: Got to admire the BSPA for coming up with yet another version of compelling teams to track a young junior rider.The intent is good....but don’t see any signs the “rising star” system has been thought through. It’s a 5 year system apparently .... how does that work? 2 3 and 4 star grading sounds like a recipe for endless dispute between rival promoters. What happens when your rising star rises to a heat leader does he stay at reserve.. or into the team ...where does he go at the end of the season ? If your rising star sadly fails or is injured ...can he be replaced with another rising star? Think everyone will be pisces’d off halfway through the season when ad hoc rules are invented to manage rising stars who are all over the solar system. Riders are being signed and yet the “rising star” list is already a great mystery for the fans expected to part with their cash to see these riders. Why the big secrecy all the time?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Najjer said: Riders are being signed and yet the “rising star” list is already a great mystery for the fans expected to part with their cash to see these riders. Why the big secrecy all the time?? Rising stars are not a mystery the rules for 2021 were written so the majority of the teams could if able to go with there 2020 team Poole I believe being the only anomaly as they had two Aussie riders at reserve. After 2021 the system going forward will be an excellent opportunity for young British riders as it constantly keeps open the reserve berths for them. Only thing I see in it is there no compulsion for teams to keep riders in the teams after they no longer fulfil the criteria to be on the rising star scheme. yes there will be some tweaking but from what I have seen it's well thought out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 With Allen withdrawing from the Scunny team I would not be surprised if Godfrey tries to drop the total points limit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 56 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Rising stars are not a mystery the rules for 2021 were written so the majority of the teams could if able to go with there 2020 team Poole I believe being the only anomaly as they had two Aussie riders at reserve. After 2021 the system going forward will be an excellent opportunity for young British riders as it constantly keeps open the reserve berths for them. Only thing I see in it is there no compulsion for teams to keep riders in the teams after they no longer fulfil the criteria to be on the rising star scheme. yes there will be some tweaking but from what I have seen it's well thought out Edinburgh also having to change team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 32 minutes ago, Pinny said: With Allen withdrawing from the Scunny team I would not be surprised if Godfrey tries to drop the total points limit . please remember all decisions are made by all promoters just announced by Mr Godfrey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sings4Speedway Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, bigred said: Its not April 1st is it? Bacon, Stoneman, Andrews, Woolley, Verge, Bowen even on the list. These guys have been around forever. Dugard & JPB making a return? and thats without the major question marks over the grading and ability like how Palin & the Thompsons end up on 1 star (apart from being in Godfrey/Bates teams). How are Flint & Kemp 3 stars but Rowe and Bickley 4 stars? I didn't think this system would have any credibility and yet again this above draft would confirm it.....no wonder the sport is a laughing stock! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Its not April 1st is it? Bacon, Stoneman, Andrews, Woolley, Verge, Bowen even on the list. These guys have been around forever. Dugard & JPB making a return? and thats without the major question marks over the grading and ability like how Palin & the Thompsons end up on 1 star (apart from being in Godfrey/Bates teams). How are Flint & Kemp 3 stars but Rowe and Bickley 4 stars? I didn't think this system would have any credibility and yet again this above draft would confirm it.....no wonder the sport is a laughing stock! oh give over, we need riders and thats what they are. Its 4 blokes going round in circles, cut the whingeing everyone when D2 started in 1968 the teams had loads of 'no hopers', blokes who'd struggled to get in pl teams and they did ok, 2nd strings, reserves - needed as much as heat leaders. I'm loth to mention names but 55yrs plus folks will know the sort of blokes i mean. Edited February 1, 2021 by ch958 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Its not April 1st is it? Bacon, Stoneman, Andrews, Woolley, Verge, Bowen even on the list. These guys have been around forever. Dugard & JPB making a return? and thats without the major question marks over the grading and ability like how Palin & the Thompsons end up on 1 star (apart from being in Godfrey/Bates teams). How are Flint & Kemp 3 stars but Rowe and Bickley 4 stars? I didn't think this system would have any credibility and yet again this above draft would confirm it.....no wonder the sport is a laughing stock! I’ve said before, why are there even grades for? Because this is the type of thing that will happen. How Anders Rowe is a 4 star grade is an absolute laughing stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, ch958 said: oh give over, we need riders and thats what they are. Its 4 blokes going round in circles, cut the whingeing But why is it so complicated? Why not say 0 years Champ experience 1 Star, 1 Year experience 2 stars etc. PL Experience 3 Stars min. All riders under 30 are eligible. Verge has ridden for 10 years, Harrison hasn't been on a 500. Naming individual riders and putting them into grades is opening it all up for criticism. There is still no incentive for any of the clubs that need the riders to get involved with the development of emerging riders, thats where the progression and success of the system will come from. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Rising stars are not a mystery the rules for 2021 were written so the majority of the teams could if able to go with there 2020 team Poole I believe being the only anomaly as they had two Aussie riders at reserve. After 2021 the system going forward will be an excellent opportunity for young British riders as it constantly keeps open the reserve berths for them. Only thing I see in it is there no compulsion for teams to keep riders in the teams after they no longer fulfil the criteria to be on the rising star scheme. yes there will be some tweaking but from what I have seen it's well thought out Whilst it’s about time they encouraged the kids into teams this scheme has some major flaws. The lad I help is wondering why he signed for his local club if he’s not going to ride for them because of the draft system? And if he doesn’t do as he’s told by the scheme have you read the consequences ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, bigred said: Ellis ,Bates,Perks,Greaves,Stoneman,Bowtell,Coles and a few another’s have been around long enough(not rising stars).Ellis ,Clegg and Bates should not even be bracketed in the same as most of the others.Bit farcical IMO.That’s what happens when you introduce phrases like “rising stars” .Nothing easy for BSPA. Edited February 1, 2021 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, Ringitsneck said: Whilst it’s about time they encouraged the kids into teams this scheme has some major flaws. The lad I help is wondering why he signed for his local club if he’s not going to ride for them because of the draft system? And if he doesn’t do as he’s told by the scheme have you read the consequences ? The consequences should be published along with the list. The asset system is largely flawed and i fail to see why many riders sign for clubs/local clubs other than being given a sensible financial incentive. Being restricted by a club that could affect any riders development despite that club having zero interest is just daft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Its not April 1st is it? Bacon, Stoneman, Andrews, Woolley, Verge, Bowen even on the list. These guys have been around forever. Dugard & JPB making a return? and thats without the major question marks over the grading and ability like how Palin & the Thompsons end up on 1 star (apart from being in Godfrey/Bates teams). How are Flint & Kemp 3 stars but Rowe and Bickley 4 stars? I didn't think this system would have any credibility and yet again this above draft would confirm it.....no wonder the sport is a laughing stock! funny thing, saw a copy of this a few weeks ago and Palin and Joe Thompson were 2 Star and Dan Thompson 1 Star. you are probably very accurate in your conspiracy theory. I think the big mistake is to have genuine "Rising Stars" and "solid NDL performers who have been around a fair while" on the same programme. Not compatible for a serious attempt to deliver a proper programme. It all adds to view of a lot that NDL is being quietly ditched. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just going slightly off topic, noticed that J P Blackburn listed. Is he still competing? Not heard much about him lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, RS50 said: Just going slightly off topic, noticed that J P Blackburn listed. Is he still competing? Not heard much about him lately. would love to see the lad back at Brummies but I think our needs are more established heat leader / top second string. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, bigred said: Is this a real official list as there is no official BSPL/SCB logo to be seen? Or is it simply someone's attempt for further debate/argument/negativity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Is this a real official list as there is no official BSPL/SCB logo to be seen? Or is it simply someone's attempt for further debate/argument/negativity? Why haven’t they published the list on their site to stop any speculation, or as you put it ‘arguments and negativity’? Teams are signing riders so the list must be finalised.... why the secrecy again?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, bigred said: will the 4* get a new reassessed ave ? in the championship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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