leander Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 55 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: A can't see why Newcastle were forced to release Connor Mountain to slot in Joe Alcock. They had to release someone, as none of our 2020 riders satisfied the criteria. if we had kept Connor then Joe would have replaced Skorja and we would be about 5 points below the limit. It is possible that without the rule change we could have signed Ben to replace Nic and still been under the limit (assuming Adam Roynon average is less than 5.00) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 58 minutes ago, enotian said: This is key for me. Haven't Leszno had Smektala, Drabik and Kubera at reserve over the last couple of seasons? three of the best U21 riders in the World at reserve all season... and unsurprisingly won. Personally I'd prefer it if they moved into the top 5 as per the normal rules but had their place protected to avoid the Sneddon effect. Whereby a young rider does well at reserve and significantly increases their average only to be replaced by a more experienced rider with a lower average but perceived more capable at that time. I can't remember how many seasons Sneddon missed because he had something like a 5 point average after about 8 matches which nobody would touch him on. I think Bryan Larner was the same going even further back in time. I think that the grading sorts this problem out. Keeping them at reserve all season might just stifle their development and has been mentioned before the same experiment was abandoned mid season some years ago when Boxall and Armstrong were averaging 7 plus at reserve and taking 7 rides every match. However when El Supremo has the best grade 2 in the league I suspect they'll be at reserve all season..... Drabik was at Wroclaw never at Leszno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 It’s all an absolute nonsense. A good idea ruined by a stupid grading system. Surely averages can’t be used for determining grades, otherwise, why not just use averages and forget grades? There should just be a group of “British juniors” and any team should be able to sign whoever they wish without averages or grades dictating that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Najjer said: It’s all an absolute nonsense. A good idea ruined by a stupid grading system. Surely averages can’t be used for determining grades, otherwise, why not just use averages and forget grades? There should just be a group of “British juniors” and any team should be able to sign whoever they wish without averages or grades dictating that. Wouldn’t be British Speedway without something like this though, would it? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Najjer said: It’s all an absolute nonsense. A good idea ruined by a stupid grading system. Surely averages can’t be used for determining grades, otherwise, why not just use averages and forget grades? There should just be a group of “British juniors” and any team should be able to sign whoever they wish without averages or grades dictating that. 4 hours ago, Pinny said: Wouldn’t be British Speedway without something like this though, would it? A wouldn't spend too much time debating it, it'll have changed again by next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 hours ago, Najjer said: It’s all an absolute nonsense. A good idea ruined by a stupid grading system. Surely averages can’t be used for determining grades, otherwise, why not just use averages and forget grades? There should just be a group of “British juniors” and any team should be able to sign whoever they wish without averages or grades dictating that. It's been tried before, but the fans complained (2006 Steve Boxall and 2014 Lewis Blackbird) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 58 minutes ago, arnieg said: It's been tried before, but the fans complained (2006 Steve Boxall and 2014 Lewis Blackbird) Fans or promotors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Najjer said: Fans or promotors? Both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 The one thing i do hope is that riders are limited to two leagues this year. The whole tripling up thing becomes laughable and blocks up teams sports for those other riders trying to progress. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Najjer said: It’s all an absolute nonsense. A good idea ruined by a stupid grading system. Surely averages can’t be used for determining grades, otherwise, why not just use averages and forget grades? There should just be a group of “British juniors” and any team should be able to sign whoever they wish without averages or grades dictating that. Agree.Nothing’s simple in British Speedway though.Self Interest always wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 20 hours ago, Richard Weston said: I’ve asked Ian Jordan at Eastbourne about Eastbourne’s rising stars as he is without fail very transparent when fans ask him questions. He will always join in on Facebook if there is a question that needs clearing up. Of course, he will not break confidences which is what you would hope for (although you are dying to know!). Any chance he may tell us what happened to the fixtures that were promised, and when they are likely to be revealed? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 What exactly is the point of publishing a fixture list starting 1 May when we already know (as a result of subsequent govt. statements) that an early May start is highly unlikely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Fixtures are probably being held up due to the ongoing discussions as to whether Plymouth are in or out! I'm sure as soon as that is sorted they will shake it all about. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, arnieg said: What exactly is the point of publishing a fixture list starting 1 May when we already know (as a result of subsequent govt. statements) that an early May start is highly unlikely? You may be correct, in which case the BSPL should say so. However, my irritation with the fixture list delay is down to the authorities stating one thing and then failing hopelessly to adhere to it or even provide an update. If I said to you that I’d deliver something that you were looking forward to next week, but didn’t, and didn’t bother to inform you why or when you could it expect it, but just remained silent, I expect you would be a bit pi**ed off. Not for the first time have the authorities printed something and then abandoned it without another word of explanation.They really don’t see it from the paying fans point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: Fixtures are probably being held up due to the ongoing discussions as to whether Plymouth are in or out! I'm sure as soon as that is sorted they will shake it all about. Again, how hard is it to put a statement out that the fixtures have been delayed due to the possible inclusion of Plymouth? That way then, there is no mystery, no secrets and everybody knows the score. It’s just so poor on so many accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 The inclusion, or exclusion, of Plymouth, has no bearing on Premiership fixtures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 4:43 PM, Dandelion said: Although that would make the likes of Leon Flint tier 4 and unavailable for this league as a 'rising star' Typical, more confusion caused!! Don't worry on his account. He's got himself a nice contract in Poland now. I'm sure his Polish club will make sure that he's always got food on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 4:43 PM, Dandelion said: I'm assuming 3.00-4.00 = tier 4 2.00-2.99 = tier 3 Below 2.00/New assesed 2.00ers = tier 2 We're obsessed with tiers this year and last Although that would make the likes of Leon Flint tier 4 and unavailable for this league as a 'rising star' Typical, more confusion caused!! I think your assumptions are a Tier to high as Berwick have announced the same team so Leon must be a Tier 3 So on the same premise as posted above my guess would be 5.00-5.99 = 5 Star 4.00-4.99 = 4 Star 3.00-3.99 = 3 Star 2.01-2.99 = 2 Star Below 2.00/New assessed 2.00ers = 1 Star; and the only reason that I have went this low is because some of the young kids that have been suggested have never ridden in the Championship whatsoever so cant really be in the same bracket as a 2 Star rider who has a year under his belt; however I am only guessing but I cant see how it can operate any other way 4 and 5 Star riders for the top league only and this may mean the likes of Connor Mountain may be a 4 Star and Max Clegg a 5 Star rider in the Premiership with the Championship being restricted to 1; 2 or 3 Star riders which will give a discrimination in the team strengths between the leagues and the way riders are dropping out what are the odds for the Championship going with two of these rising star riders now this year which will in effect slightly lower the build points for the top 5 riders... Just a thought after the Jake Allen news... Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 THJ - I don’t think the BSPL statement mentioned a 5 star category ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted January 28, 2021 Report Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, woofers said: THJ - I don’t think the BSPL statement mentioned a 5 star category ? Perhaps THJ 's thinking of the hotels he normally stays in? ( Pre covid of course) Edited January 28, 2021 by gazzac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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