mikebv Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: Was wondering will the rising star programme and the opportunity it gives be wasted by the lack of teams at national league level. No point been a rising star if all your getting is rushed second halfs You would think it would be dove tailed wouldnt you? Riding in the higher leagues and then riding in the bottom league.. For many it would also mean a change of emphasis too, one meeting riding without too much expectation and pressure being on them at reserve, then having to ride as No1 for their NL outfit with the higher expectation that this brings.. As well of course also being a possible confidence booster if the higher level is finding them struggle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted February 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 hours ago, mikebv said: You would think it would be dove tailed wouldnt you? Riding in the higher leagues and then riding in the bottom league.. For many it would also mean a change of emphasis too, one meeting riding without too much expectation and pressure being on them at reserve, then having to ride as No1 for their NL outfit with the higher expectation that this brings.. As well of course also being a possible confidence booster if the higher level is finding them struggle... Exactly this. It's the one redeeming feature of doubling up. When these young riders are on their learning curve they need to be on the bike as often as possible. If they're not doing the PL and CL then they need CL and NL for the exact benefits you've pointed out. Even if there has to be nomad teams in the NL (whose 'home' matches are at the oppositions track and fixtures against other nomad teams at neutral tracks) to create these opportunities and a career path for those kids not up to CL yet. Good time to ban ghost teams eh? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 The list has been officially announced. Some of these lads haven’t ridden competitively for years, so are they going to want to come back? BRITISH SPEEDWAY RISING STAR SCHEME CATEGORIES:1 STAR:Nathan Ablitt, Joe Alcock, Sam Bebee, Paul Bowen, Arran Butcher, James Chattin, Jacob Clouting, Sheldon Davies, Kieran Douglas, Kelsey Dugard, Josh Embleton, Archie Freeman, Dan Gilkes, Sam Hagon, Luke Harrison, Elliot Kelly, Connor King, Harry McGurk, Gregor Millar, Lewis Millar, Jake Mulford, Jordan Palin, Ben Rathbone, George Rothery, Danny Smith, Tom Spencer, Alex Spooner, Ryan Terry-Daley, Joe Thompson, Dan Thompson, Danno Verge, Mason Watson, Ben Woodhull.2 STAR:Richard Andrews, Henry Atkins, Greg Blair, Connor Coles, Luke Harris, Jordan Jenkins, Joe Lawlor, Jack Parkinson-Blackburn, Danny Phillips.3 STAR:Leon Flint, Danyon Hume, Drew Kemp, Ryan Kinsley, Luke Ruddick, Jack Smith.4 STAR:Tom Bacon, Josh Bates, Kyle Bickley, Tom Brennan, Nathan Greaves, Connor Mountain, Anders Rowe, James Shanes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Josh Bates ..... Rising Star whoever signs him will have an advantage from the off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Panthers99 said: Josh Bates ..... Rising Star whoever signs him will have an advantage from the off. He is only a Rising Star #4 in a Premiership club otherwise in the 1-6 at Championship level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Panthers99 said: Josh Bates ..... Rising Star whoever signs him will have an advantage from the off. That's Sheffield then..... Wonder if him being on the list is a sweetener for having to lose Pedersen? As mentioned on another thread. Only in speedway can a rider with 9 years of experience that can get his testimonial next year be classed as a rising star 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: That's Sheffield then..... Wonder if him being on the list is a sweetener for having to lose Pedersen? As mentioned on another thread. Only in speedway can a rider with 9 years of experience that can get his testimonial next year be classed as a rising star Agreed..... only in Speedway, can come up with potentially a good idea then absolutely ruin it by allowing that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, Panthers99 said: Josh Bates ..... Rising Star whoever signs him will have an advantage from the off. I'd give it about 5 matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Big Al said: I'd give it about 5 matches Perhaps thats the bit we are all missing....its a five year plan but only applies to one match a year.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers99 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Perhaps thats the bit we are all missing....its a five year plan but only applies to one match a year.... I think was more a case before he injures himself in fairness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Panthers99 said: I think was more a case before he injures himself in fairness. Oh sorry that seems a touch optimistic given its still sledging season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) Riders in there who really shouldn’t be as they’ve been knocking around for years, plus some missing who should be and some questionable gradings. The idea was good but it looks to be a bit of a dog’s breakfast unfortunately. Edited February 10, 2021 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 59 minutes ago, Islander15 said: The list has been officially announced. Some of these lads haven’t ridden competitively for years, so are they going to want to come back? BRITISH SPEEDWAY RISING STAR SCHEME CATEGORIES:1 STAR:Nathan Ablitt, Joe Alcock, Sam Bebee, Paul Bowen, Arran Butcher, James Chattin, Jacob Clouting, Sheldon Davies, Kieran Douglas, Kelsey Dugard, Josh Embleton, Archie Freeman, Dan Gilkes, Sam Hagon, Luke Harrison, Elliot Kelly, Connor King, Harry McGurk, Gregor Millar, Lewis Millar, Jake Mulford, Jordan Palin, Ben Rathbone, George Rothery, Danny Smith, Tom Spencer, Alex Spooner, Ryan Terry-Daley, Joe Thompson, Dan Thompson, Danno Verge, Mason Watson, Ben Woodhull.2 STAR:Richard Andrews, Henry Atkins, Greg Blair, Connor Coles, Luke Harris, Jordan Jenkins, Joe Lawlor, Jack Parkinson-Blackburn, Danny Phillips.3 STAR:Leon Flint, Danyon Hume, Drew Kemp, Ryan Kinsley, Luke Ruddick, Jack Smith.4 STAR:Tom Bacon, Josh Bates, Kyle Bickley, Tom Brennan, Nathan Greaves, Connor Mountain, Anders Rowe, James Shanes. With the greatest of respect its just a tombola of names ranging from those not old enough to retired riders and just about everything in between. My only hope is that PL is restricted to 3&4 star graded riders and once it kicks properly next season CL sides have to add up to 4 stars in total ( so 2+2 or 3+1) otherwise the gap in standard is going to be huge. Not knocking but some riders haven't even completed a decent season in the NDL yet (and some have had several seasons at trying to) so the fact that there is even a chance of them heading into the "professional" leagues is more than a bit concerning. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: With the greatest of respect its just a tombola of names ranging from those not old enough to retired riders and just about everything in between. My only hope is that PL is restricted to 3&4 star graded riders and once it kicks properly next season CL sides have to add up to 4 stars in total ( so 2+2 or 3+1) otherwise the gap in standard is going to be huge. Not knocking but some riders haven't even completed a decent season in the NDL yet (and some have had several seasons at trying to) so the fact that there is even a chance of them heading into the "professional" leagues is more than a bit concerning. From what I am hearing you are correct... Next season a max of 6 star points for PL team so a 4 + 2 or 3 + 3 rider as Rising Star Reserves and for the CL its 4 Star points per team so a 3 + 1 or a 2 + 2... Personally I don't like it whatsoever and I don't know many who do... but according to the press release everyone thinks its great? My preference would be you can't go PL until you have a 6 average or more in the CL so with a conversion rate of 1.5 that gives gives a reserve starting average of 4 points and up the team build level to 45 points in the PL and for the CL you need at least an average of 6 in the NL with a conversion rate of 3 gives a 2 point average in the CL and let the CL clubs build to 35 points.... Finally let the NL build to 25 points to force them to put kids (or novices) in and not high averaged riders who race in three leagues and finally a conversion rate of 3 between these two leagues (NL to CL). no one racing in the PL should be engaged in the NL. The "Fast Track" system didn't work and this won't as it is doing the one thing everyone in every league is against and that's diluting the product; The other thing is; the elephant in the room; (and no one wants it to happen); but just wait until we get injuries and not serious ones to boot; the list isn't endless is it; quality will go right out of the window; also many promotions wont be as patient as others will be when these kids have a crisis of confidence and want to be dropped because they find scoring tough or because they aren't scoring they then get cut because scoring is tough... Guarantee or not... Nobody is sorrier than me that the BSPL had to spend there valuable time writing out and implementing this process. Though from my personal standpoint I know for a certainty that the process is set up to fail from the off and like many other great ideas in the past it will slide down the valley of regret with near a mention again, please accept my expression of deep regret at this unfortunate episode and don't hold your breath for any regret; remorse or an apology from the BSPL on this matter… Did anyone ever explain why the "Fast Track" system was dumped? So I am sorry if anyone feels offended with my view of the proposal but it does come from first hand experience... Regards THJ Edited February 10, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Missed out word 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 I cannot echo and agree with the above statements enough. Ive always felt the best approach is to get places dependant on merit rather than x criteria, ultimately if you are good enough you are in. If you cannot achieve the required level at a lower league why should you deserve a chance to move up. Like many i can see so many flaws in the new system not least that better riders could and likely will miss out on places due to complex team building restrictions all the while lesser riders will have the confidence beaten out of them being the whipping boys. When was the last time you saw a rider with no mechanical issues or falls lapped..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 And where is Jason Edwards?.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, mmmmethanol said: And where is Jason Edwards?.......... Hopefully opted out and is going to make it his own way. No Connor Bailey either, Alfie Bowtell & Jack Thomas look to be the other likely decliners and if so good for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, mmmmethanol said: And where is Jason Edwards?.......... 10 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Hopefully opted out and is going to make it his own way. No Connor Bailey either, Alfie Bowtell & Jack Thomas look to be the other likely decliners and if so good for them. Well there is a thing Drew Kemp is on there as a 3* rider and the impression is that the "Starred Rider" will start at 7 so the question is WTF... Eastie haven't found a loop hole already have they? Honestly you couldn't make this tripe up... Oh hang on I think that's just the thing... back of a fag packet springs to mind for those old enough... Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Sings4Speedway said: Hopefully opted out and is going to make it his own way. No Connor Bailey either, Alfie Bowtell & Jack Thomas look to be the other likely decliners and if so good for them. Ta for that, Sings. I didn't realise there was a choice to opt out. Was beginning to think it looked like Dido Harding had got involved.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Eastie haven't found a loop hole already have they? Steady old chap. Eastbourne don't set the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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