enotian Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Or Bero Boys if you're looking for a sponsorship opportunity. Has the list been published? Will the list be published? Am I correct in thinking that there are Grades 4, 3 and 2? With 4's only as #7 in the PL. I'm struggling to identify 6 grade 4's but I suppose it's grade 4 or below in the PL 4 Brennan Bickley Kemp Rowe 3 Flint Hume Bowtell Thomas J Smith Kinsley Wood 2 Jenkins Stoneman Edwards C Bailey Coles Ruddick Marson Lawlor Phillips Woolley L Harris Atkins Palin Gilkes J Thompson D Thompson Wirtzfeld Ablitt Embleton MacDonald Brooks Kelly Andrews Alcock H McGurk or anyone without previous PL and CL appearances. Based on 2019 activity. Don't know if age or retirement have ruled some out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, enotian said: Or Bero Boys if you're looking for a sponsorship opportunity. Has the list been published? Will the list be published? Am I correct in thinking that there are Grades 4, 3 and 2? With 4's only as #7 in the PL. I'm struggling to identify 6 grade 4's but I suppose it's grade 4 or below in the PL 4 Brennan Bickley Kemp Rowe 3 Flint Hume Bowtell Thomas J Smith Kinsley Wood 2 Jenkins Stoneman Edwards C Bailey Coles Ruddick Marson Lawlor Phillips Woolley L Harris Atkins Palin Gilkes J Thompson D Thompson Wirtzfeld Ablitt Embleton MacDonald Brooks Kelly Andrews Alcock H McGurk or anyone without previous PL and CL appearances. Based on 2019 activity. Don't know if age or retirement have ruled some out? Not sure they / you can grade the likes of Cole’s, Phillips, Ruddick with all their experience in the Championship and NL the same as Kelly , Palin, Gilkes, who have one season in the NL. But then I don’t agree that J Smith or Thomas should be below some of the 4’s so it’s personal choice I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 22 minutes ago, enotian said: Or Bero Boys if you're looking for a sponsorship opportunity. Has the list been published? Will the list be published? Am I correct in thinking that there are Grades 4, 3 and 2? With 4's only as #7 in the PL. I'm struggling to identify 6 grade 4's but I suppose it's grade 4 or below in the PL 4 Brennan Bickley Kemp Rowe 3 Flint Hume Bowtell Thomas J Smith Kinsley Wood 2 Jenkins Stoneman Edwards C Bailey Coles Ruddick Marson Lawlor Phillips Woolley L Harris Atkins Palin Gilkes J Thompson D Thompson Wirtzfeld Ablitt Embleton MacDonald Brooks Kelly Andrews Alcock H McGurk or anyone without previous PL and CL appearances. Based on 2019 activity. Don't know if age or retirement have ruled some out? Just another farcical decision to call anybody “rising star” simply call it “grading and we can argue all we want.Anybody could be a”rising star” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) I'm sure the BSPL announcement on Thursday mentioned 'any Brit with average of 4.00 or less' would get a star-rating of 3, 2 or below. Neil Vatcher will have the best overview. Edited January 24, 2021 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I'm sure the BSPL announcement on Thursday mentioned 'any Brit with average of 4.00 or less' would get a star-rating of 3, 2 or below. Neil Vatcher will have the best overview. I can’t find anything in the BSPL announcement about “Brits with an average of 4.00 or less”, they just say each “rising star” would be given a grading of 2, 3 or 4. No mention of how the gradings would be determined. No mention of the age cut off for the “youngsters”. On the basis that teams are being put together on a points basis, presumably using the 2019 season ending averages, surely the gradings of the ‘rising stars’ and ‘youngsters’ are already known in order for teams to be completed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 44 minutes ago, woofers said: I can’t find anything in the BSPL announcement about “Brits with an average of 4.00 or less”, they just say each “rising star” would be given a grading of 2, 3 or 4. No mention of how the gradings would be determined. No mention of the age cut off for the “youngsters”. On the basis that teams are being put together on a points basis, presumably using the 2019 season ending averages, surely the gradings of the ‘rising stars’ and ‘youngsters’ are already known in order for teams to be completed? Probably still arguing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 wish all young riders success but all being labelled a rising star isnt going to help them,obviously theyre not "stars" a really silly name 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 I'm assuming 3.00-4.00 = tier 4 2.00-2.99 = tier 3 Below 2.00/New assesed 2.00ers = tier 2 We're obsessed with tiers this year and last Although that would make the likes of Leon Flint tier 4 and unavailable for this league as a 'rising star' Typical, more confusion caused!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Dandelion said: I'm assuming 3.00-4.00 = tier 4 2.00-2.99 = tier 3 Below 2.00/New assesed 2.00ers = tier 2 We're obsessed with tiers this year and last Although that would make the likes of Leon Flint tier 4 and unavailable for this league as a 'rising star' Typical, more confusion caused!! Why would Flint be unavailable, and for what league .? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Why would Flint be unavailable, and for what league .? For the Championship, can't the Championship teams only use up to a tier 3? And his average is 3.34 which would put him in tier 4... Just total guess work, wish they'd let us know what's going on with the tiers for the rising stars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Is Tom Brennan, with a 2019 average of over 6, classified as a rising star ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 31 minutes ago, woofers said: Is Tom Brennan, with a 2019 average of over 6, classified as a rising star ? He should be considering his age, he's one of Britain's BEST rising stars... But you know how ridiculous the rules can be... Maybe tier 4 rising star will be 4.00+ average but u-23? Or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dandelion said: He should be considering his age, he's one of Britain's BEST rising stars... But you know how ridiculous the rules can be... Maybe tier 4 rising star will be 4.00+ average but u-23? Or something And Tom Brennan's average was achieved at reserve before a major fracture ended his 2019 season earlyl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Dandelion said: I'm assuming 3.00-4.00 = tier 4 2.00-2.99 = tier 3 Below 2.00/New assesed 2.00ers = tier 2 We're obsessed with tiers this year and last Although that would make the likes of Leon Flint tier 4 and unavailable for this league as a 'rising star' Typical, more confusion caused!! That's why it's a rubbish rule!!! Newcastle have been forced to release Connor Mountain to slot in Joe Alcock. no disrespect to either rider. but I would still class Leon Flint and Connor Mountain as possible stars of the future. How many of these "rising Stars" will have their confidence shattered finishing last every race they are up against the more established riders and quit the sport all together, as has happened on more than one occasion in the past. Do they stay at reserve all season?? Like in Poland . (where it was obvious from day 1 that Lezno would win the title as their two compulsory reserves were actually good quality 2nd strings). Or do they move into the team proper if their averages are high enough. A better, in my view, system would be:- Minimum 3 brits per team. one to be under 24, and one (or even two) to be under 20. Irrespective of average. They take their place in the team according to average. That way the "rising stars" would come into the championship when they are ready, and teams are not forced to introduce someone before he is ready 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, leander said: That's why it's a rubbish rule!!! Newcastle have been forced to release Connor Mountain to slot in Joe Alcock. no disrespect to either rider. but I would still class Leon Flint and Connor Mountain as possible stars of the future. A can't see why Newcastle were forced to release Connor Mountain to slot in Joe Alcock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: A can't see why Newcastle were forced to release Connor Mountain to slot in Joe Alcock. So they could sign Ben Barker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted January 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: A can't see why Newcastle were forced to release Connor Mountain to slot in Joe Alcock. Had to have a Rising Star and didn't have one in the original 1-7. So they didn't necessarily have to release Mountain but one of the original 1-7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, StevePark said: So they could sign Ben Barker? So, not Joe?,,, was Connors release the only way to make it fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted January 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Dandelion said: For the Championship, can't the Championship teams only use up to a tier 3? And his average is 3.34 which would put him in tier 4... Just total guess work, wish they'd let us know what's going on with the tiers for the rising stars I think he could still ride in the CL just not as #7. As Berwick have said they are keeping the same seven from 2020 Flint must be graded lower than 4 because the only other candidate would be Bickley who averaged more than Flint in 2019 so I suspect is graded 4 but at #6 for Berwick using his CMA. I reckon the Eastbourne team has three rising stars with Edwards being the only one who counts at #7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted January 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, leander said: Do they stay at reserve all season?? Like in Poland . (where it was obvious from day 1 that Lezno would win the title as their two compulsory reserves were actually good quality 2nd strings). Or do they move into the team proper if their averages are high enough. This is key for me. Haven't Leszno had Smektala, Drabik and Kubera at reserve over the last couple of seasons? three of the best U21 riders in the World at reserve all season... and unsurprisingly won. Personally I'd prefer it if they moved into the top 5 as per the normal rules but had their place protected to avoid the Sneddon effect. Whereby a young rider does well at reserve and significantly increases their average only to be replaced by a more experienced rider with a lower average but perceived more capable at that time. I can't remember how many seasons Sneddon missed because he had something like a 5 point average after about 8 matches which nobody would touch him on. I think Bryan Larner was the same going even further back in time. I think that the grading sorts this problem out. Keeping them at reserve all season might just stifle their development and has been mentioned before the same experiment was abandoned mid season some years ago when Boxall and Armstrong were averaging 7 plus at reserve and taking 7 rides every match. However when El Supremo has the best grade 2 in the league I suspect they'll be at reserve all season..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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