Justgotmecpc Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ringitsneck said: Hang on, we have Josh, Archie, Danny, and Dean then throw in Alcock and we had Wallinger lined up so that is six to start with , throw in someone like Danny Phillips ( local and without a team ) and you have a team, and that’s without going looking far. All products of the TRAINING school apart from alcock wallinger & Phillips & also a lot have forgot about the likes of Liam Carr who came through the school aswell & also jack Flynn who had some got practice sessions last season Edited January 23, 2021 by Justgotmecpc Error 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Justgotmecpc said: All products of the TRAINING school apart from alcock wallinger & Phillips & also a lot have forgot about the likes of Liam Carr who came through the school aswell & also jack Flynn who had some got practice sessions last season Yet the guy who ran the ‘ training school ‘ says he doesn’t know where the riders will come from ? Strange statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 22 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Can you give any averages for these guys please... and has the team been officially released anywhere yet? No, no team list in the Birmingham web site, The information I gave was from Rogers in the Brummies forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Ringitsneck said: Yet the guy who ran the ‘ training school ‘ says he doesn’t know where the riders will come from ? Strange statement. Nothing strange at all. I can see Archie , Danny and Josh, possibly Joe and hopefully Wallinger, but we will struggle for the rest. Edited January 24, 2021 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tsunami said: Nothing strange at all. I can see Archie , Danny and Josh, possibly Joe and hopefully Wallinger, but we will struggle for the rest. So now you can name 5 Dave , you only need 2 more and there’s a few within a 50 mile radius who could ride in what will be a much lower standard NL including your own Dean Douglas , who does seem to get forgotten about at Brough. I know he’s a bit raw but he’s keen. There’s even a couple of potential young lads down the road who I’m sure would ride and others who attend their amateur meetings that could be considered. Edited January 24, 2021 by Ringitsneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ringitsneck said: So now you can name 5 Dave , you only need 2 more and there’s a few within a 50 radius who could ride in what will be a much lower standard NL including your own Dean Douglas , who does seem to get forgotten about at Brough. I know he’s a bit raw but he’s keen. Douglas is nowhere near NL level. Wallinger is a not certain, and Philips unlikely due to his family ties. There would have to be a big drop in standard, remembering that both Joe and Josh were not heat leaders in the NL previously, and others locally in the same situation. The other problem, but more so, is the make up for the Sapphires team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 14 hours ago, Justgotmecpc said: All products of the TRAINING school apart from alcock wallinger & Phillips & also a lot have forgot about the likes of Liam Carr who came through the school aswell & also jack Flynn who had some got practice sessions last season I didn't realise Liam Carr still rode?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 43 minutes ago, Tsunami said: Douglas is nowhere near NL level. Wallinger is a not certain, and Philips unlikely due to his family ties. There would have to be a big drop in standard, remembering that both Joe and Josh were not heat leaders in the NL previously, and others locally in the same situation. The other problem, but more so, is the make up for the Sapphires team. Isn't it more about experience for the young lads rather than winning in the nl? Some of the lesser riders should be given a chance 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Dandelion said: Isn't it more about experience for the young lads rather than winning in the nl? Some of the lesser riders should be given a chance Of course, and that was my philosophy when I started the original Gems in 2002, but at the end of the day, the team has got still have a cutting edge and compete. No-one is going to stop and watch a junior team getting thrashed every meeting. The secret is to get half the team cable of winning races, and able to help and bring the best out of the good youngsters behind them. It's not an either or, but a mixture of both. I was lucky having new riders in Robertson, Lawson and Craig Branney, with other youngsters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, Dandelion said: I didn't realise Liam Carr still rode?? He doesn't. He had serious injuries many years ago and eventually retired because of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 What's wrong with a team like this... And that's assuming that the points limit doesn't drop, which it no doubt will 1 Max Clegg 10.14 2 Joe Alcock 3.00 3 Josh Embleton 4.83 4 Jamie Halder 4.63 5 10.40? 6 Archie Freeman 3.00 7 Danny Smith 3.00 Total: 39.00? And if Max doesn't want to ride NL because Wolves snap him up or something, then there's the likes of Alfie Bowtell who will be looking for a team now with Plymouth no doubt in the Championship. Leon Flint was lined up to ride for the Gems last season. And then there's other local riders mentioned such as Jack Flynn Dean Douglas Elliot Kelly Luke Ruddick Connor Coles Shelby Rutherford Kieran Douglas Some ex Stoke riders there too... It's not IMPOSSIBLE to make an NL team, but is it financially viable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 James Sarjeant was a popular guest a few seasons back for the Diamonds, maybe he'll want to double down if he don't get a PL spot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, Dandelion said: What's wrong with a team like this... And that's assuming that the points limit doesn't drop, which it no doubt will 1 Max Clegg 10.14 2 Joe Alcock 3.00 3 Josh Embleton 4.83 4 Jamie Halder 4.63 5 10.40? 6 Archie Freeman 3.00 7 Danny Smith 3.00 Total: 39.00? And if Max doesn't want to ride NL because Wolves snap him up or something, then there's the likes of Alfie Bowtell who will be looking for a team now with Plymouth no doubt in the Championship. Leon Flint was lined up to ride for the Gems last season. And then there's other local riders mentioned such as Jack Flynn Dean Douglas Elliot Kelly Luke Ruddick Connor Coles Shelby Rutherford Kieran Douglas Some ex Stoke riders there too... It's not IMPOSSIBLE to make an NL team, but is it financially viable I'd forgot about Halder, but the rest are very debatable and some really non runners. Let's see what Rob comes up with after he is released from hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Tsunami said: He doesn't. He had serious injuries many years ago and eventually retired because of them. Wrong ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Tsunami said: I'd forgot about Halder, but the rest are very debatable and some really non runners. Let's see what Rob comes up with after he is released from hospital. Who would you suggest are the non runners? Let's narrow it down!! 5 minutes ago, Heedthebaw said: Wrong ! Is he making a comeback then? Liked Liam back in the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heedthebaw Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dandelion said: Who would you suggest are the non runners? Let's narrow it down!! Is he making a comeback then? Liked Liam back in the day Not that I’m aware of, but no injuries would stop him if he wanted to, and injury is not the reason he stopped riding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Heedthebaw said: Not that I’m aware of, but no injuries would stop him if he wanted to, and injury is not the reason he stopped riding Glad to hear it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binman Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 33 minutes ago, Tsunami said: I'd forgot about Halder, but the rest are very debatable and some really non runners. Let's see what Rob comes up with after he is released from hospital. Realy give some a chance they could prove you wrong isn't that's what it's about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Tsunami said: Douglas is nowhere near NL level. Wallinger is a not certain, and Philips unlikely due to his family ties. There would have to be a big drop in standard, remembering that both Joe and Josh were not heat leaders in the NL previously, and others locally in the same situation. The other problem, but more so, is the make up for the Sapphires team. This would be the Saphires team ! I did say there would be a drop in standards , because most of the previous heat leaders in the NL will be riding as graded reserves in the championship so that equals out. Joe and Josh become experienced riders in this new level with the likes of Archie, Dean and others getting a chance to show there worth. Is that what the NL was intended to be , a platform for new youngsters ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Heedthebaw said: Not that I’m aware of, but no injuries would stop him if he wanted to, and injury is not the reason he stopped riding I am aware of what you are referring too. But it did follow a lot of injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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