cityrebel Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 1/19/2021 at 2:21 PM, Ringitsneck said: You’ve partially answered your own question. Godfrey WILL do what he wants. He CAN run any day he likes as it’s his stadium with little in the way of restrictions, the simple answer is he makes good money off hiring the track out at weekends ( amateur meetings , stocks etc ) so he’s not going to financially penalise himself by going back to Sunday’s. He is also the chairman of the mafia and so will do what he wants and others will do as they are told, Peterborough and Workington being recent examples who were dictated to by him and Buster and forget the ‘ benefit of the sport ‘. Your ‘ dream ‘ is just that, a dream, sadly. Fixed race nights have actually contributed to the closure of tracks in this country. How does that benefit speedway. Self interest will wipe out the sport, eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 43 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Fixed race nights have actually contributed to the closure of tracks in this country. How does that benefit speedway. Self interest will wipe out the sport, eventually. However, fixed race nights did ensure that all the top riders in the world came back to ride over here..... Oh, hang on...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, mikebv said: However, fixed race nights did ensure that all the top riders in the world came back to ride over here..... Oh, hang on...... ...And fixed race nights further encouraged 'doubling up / down'..... further destroying the 'team ethic'.... I miss the team picture on the back of Speedy Star that held good through the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Lefty said: ...And fixed race nights further encouraged 'doubling up / down'..... further destroying the 'team ethic'.... I miss the team picture on the back of Speedy Star that held good through the season. Let's be honest the main reason for fixed race nights was simply to ensure plenty of guests for both leagues would be available and provide plenty of Double Up/Down opportunities for riders who need to ride in two or more leagues to make it pay... A quite incredible operating model to devise, nail your mast to, and expect it to deliver a successful business.. Edited January 20, 2021 by mikebv 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 1/20/2021 at 5:20 PM, mikebv said: Let's be honest the main reason for fixed race nights was simply to ensure plenty of guests for both leagues would be available and provide plenty of Double Up/Down opportunities for riders who need to ride in two or more leagues to make it pay... A quite incredible operating model to devise, nail your mast to, and expect it to deliver a successful business.. Yes, and it worked, but what preceeded it wasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) On 1/21/2021 at 8:02 PM, Tsunami said: Yes, and it worked, but what preceeded it wasn't. Didn't work for Sheffield and Rye House to name two Edited January 23, 2021 by The Third Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 On 1/13/2021 at 1:31 PM, Ringitsneck said: You need to get your facts right. The NL has been independently run for several years, they have their own meetings and don’t pay any fees to the BSP Ltd and get discount on their insurance and referees fees via the BSP Ltd. So where’s the interference? Jason Pipe is a volunteer, nothing more nothing less. I think it is you that needs to get your facts right. The NL is not run independently as all their meetings are overseen by the Management Committee, with all decisions having to be ratified at a General Committee meeting. All the standalone clubs pay fees to the BSPA and to the SCB, the insurance is cheaper because the benefits are much reduced from the other two legs, and the referees fees are slightly less because the referees choose to charge less for their services. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 10 hours ago, Great Central said: I think it is you that needs to get your facts right. The NL is not run independently as all their meetings are overseen by the Management Committee, with all decisions having to be ratified at a General Committee meeting. All the standalone clubs pay fees to the BSPA and to the SCB, the insurance is cheaper because the benefits are much reduced from the other two legs, and the referees fees are slightly less because the referees choose to charge less for their services. Always has been since my involvement in Linlithgow. We did look to organise ourselves but we had Peter Morrish appointed to look after the league. Also a number of our ideas which we thought would make it cheaper for riders were knocked back by the BSPA Chairman at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, edmon said: Always has been since my involvement in Linlithgow. We did look to organise ourselves but we had Peter Morrish appointed to look after the league. Also a number of our ideas which we thought would make it cheaper for riders were knocked back by the BSPA Chairman at the time. No suprise there then. Linlithgow was a great little set up, i went there twice. Fond memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Dyer Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 Try this for latest update: http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.38600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Rob Dyer said: Try this for latest update: http://www.speedwaygb.co.uk/news.php?extend.38600 Or in other words.....be patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ringitsneck said: Or in other words.....be patient. ah yes from the person who stated the AGM had already been held. Interest from "several" Prem & Champs clubs to enter sides is encouraging (providing they actually know and care about running a 2nd team). As ever with the shockingly late NDL meetings there is limited time to prepare or complete team building before the "May start date" if the rules & entrants are even decided at the first meeting. One of the few good things about British speedway is the National League and if it is spoilt by those in higher tiers wanting it run their way such as 4 man teams run as second halves and double headers for the standalone clubs then a lot of what is good in the sport will be lost forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 Does this mean that the Premier League have given up on their reserve league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, arnieg said: Does this mean that the Premier League have given up on their reserve league? They couldn't possibly have done that could they? After crushing all the nomad sides and forcing good honest people out of the sport. 2 minutes ago, Richard Weston said: Eastbourne have expressed an in interest in running an NDL team Would make good sense. Still have some loyal NDL fans, would offer extra local derbies against Kent in two divisions and a great chance to keep developing riders ready for the next 5 years (cough cough) of rising star program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: ah yes from the person who stated the AGM had already been held. Interest from "several" Prem & Champs clubs to enter sides is encouraging (providing they actually know and care about running a 2nd team). As ever with the shockingly late NDL meetings there is limited time to prepare or complete team building before the "May start date" if the rules & entrants are even decided at the first meeting. One of the few good things about British speedway is the National League and if it is spoilt by those in higher tiers wanting it run their way such as 4 man teams run as second halves and double headers for the standalone clubs then a lot of what is good in the sport will be lost forever. If a ‘ meeting ‘ didn’t take place ( even if some individuals did not take part ) how do you think these decisions have been made ? Answer - because discussions have taken place. But whatever... As they are now struggling to fill teams in the championship this is bound to effect the make up of any NL division. Tonight’s news on travel restrictions is not going to make that any easier. Let’s hope the format of the NL doesn’t alter . Whilst there’s lots of talk I don’t expect to see more than one or two additions. I do hope to see a northern based side to give the youngsters up here something to aim for so let’s hope it comes off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 14 hours ago, Ringitsneck said: If a ‘ meeting ‘ didn’t take place ( even if some individuals did not take part ) how do you think these decisions have been made ? Answer - because discussions have taken place. But whatever... As they are now struggling to fill teams in the championship this is bound to effect the make up of any NL division. Tonight’s news on travel restrictions is not going to make that any easier. Let’s hope the format of the NL doesn’t alter . Whilst there’s lots of talk I don’t expect to see more than one or two additions. I do hope to see a northern based side to give the youngsters up here something to aim for so let’s hope it comes off. I can't argue that another Northern side would assist the league and the teams involved, always good to have little local rivalry. Buxton, Sheffield, Scunthorpe and Kings Lynn would all be useful additions to the league and provide some derbies for closer rivals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: I can't argue that another Northern side would assist the league and the teams involved, always good to have little local rivalry. Buxton, Sheffield, Scunthorpe and Kings Lynn would all be useful additions to the league and provide some derbies for closer rivals. Would think only Scunthorpe of those would look to run a side in any proposed division but I do wonder where all these riders are supposed to be coming from. If all the sides run plus 2 or 3 new teams then that’s another 21 riders to find who can actually race a bike not just ride one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Would think only Scunthorpe of those would look to run a side in any proposed division but I do wonder where all these riders are supposed to be coming from. If all the sides run plus 2 or 3 new teams then that’s another 21 riders to find who can actually race a bike not just ride one. I agree its a stretch but there are just about that many riders knocking about. I would say 10is riders who competed in the development leagues are on the cusp of being able to step up a level and are competent enough to do so in ability and safety, there are probably the same number of riders who didn't get team places for various reasons. That said it will leave injury cover very light and if there is no cap at the top end the disparity between riders could be quite large. The league has had 10/11 teams before and currently the SGB website lists only 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: I agree its a stretch but there are just about that many riders knocking about. I would say 10is riders who competed in the development leagues are on the cusp of being able to step up a level and are competent enough to do so in ability and safety, there are probably the same number of riders who didn't get team places for various reasons. That said it will leave injury cover very light and if there is no cap at the top end the disparity between riders could be quite large. The league has had 10/11 teams before and currently the SGB website lists only 6. Six teams might be about right. The NL will lose around 10 riders to the ‘ rising star ‘ scheme then add a few who will have given up ,especially having not ridden in 2020 so there’s a wants list already never mind finding 21 additional riders. Most amateur riders are no where near ready to commit to league racing either through employment, lack of suitable equipment or funds. If we are to believe that expressions of interest from all these other clubs will result in several new teams then there’s going to be an issue. So unless the NL drops to almost an amateur standard then theres going to be a shortage . So 6 to 8 teams is about the maximum the NL can hope for and that will be at a much lower standard . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ringitsneck said: Six teams might be about right. The NL will lose around 10 riders to the ‘ rising star ‘ scheme then add a few who will have given up ,especially having not ridden in 2020 so there’s a wants list already never mind finding 21 additional riders. Most amateur riders are no where near ready to commit to league racing either through employment, lack of suitable equipment or funds. If we are to believe that expressions of interest from all these other clubs will result in several new teams then there’s going to be an issue. So unless the NL drops to almost an amateur standard then theres going to be a shortage . So 6 to 8 teams is about the maximum the NL can hope for and that will be at a much lower standard . As a matter of interest who out of all the amateur riders is the lowest level you would go to. For me the likes of dean Douglas and Danny smith would be adequate reserves any rider currently not beating them frequently shouldn't be considered. This is no slight on these two who are both steadily improving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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