Whats actually going on?

[OveFundinFan]

3 minutes ago, TMW said:

I agree with you 100% but, it’s asking a lot of the riders to protest when all they want to do is ride 

But if they don’t protest against BSPL they not going to get all the rides they want/need.  
What about supporters protesting - going to meetings but not entering the stadium, no income for the promotors to pay bills.

[old bob at herne bay]

The BSPL have finally shown their true colours, and show just why British Speedway is steadily dying . Their closed shop dictatorship is crumbling, they  are losing tracks left right and centre, we have fewer and fewer riders interested in racing here, those that are any good will be offski to Poland as soon as possible. 

So faced with what equates to a training track operation on IOW they threaten to ban any rider who turns up for some track time. 

Is our sport going to survive with this bunch of amateurs running the sport? Only the spectators will decide whether to keep contributing to their coffers for a declining quality of entertainment.

I wonder whether we will see any statements from BSPL in the speedway press or  have they already got them under their control?

[25yearfan]

A similar situation used to happen years ago when ACU licensed riders raced sand track at Mablethorpe beach cause the club wasn't affiliated to the ACU. Some riders used to race under an assumed name but eventually riders stopped doing this cause it was proved that as long as proper rules, health and safety and insurance were provided then it was not illegal for the club to run outside the ACU.

 

Essentially the BSPL is just one organisation, theirs nothing to stop a another organisation running events as long as things are done properly.

 

Like Halifax tiger says, if 16 NL riders rode in an individual meeting on the IoW the BSPL couldn't ban them all cause there wouldn't be enough other up to standard riders about to replace them. At present you'd only need 10 NL riders get injured or quit racing and there'd be a major shortage of riders and teams would end up asking anyone with a bike to make up numbers. 

 

I'm sure if this matter went to court the BSPL wouldn't have a leg to stand on!

 

The changes to the 3rd tier this season and the attempt to seriously hamper the existing successful Northern junior League/ Midland development Leagues really show Godfrey and Co in their true colours. - Rob Godfrey would look the part in a brown shirt!

 

 

[TMW]

4 minutes ago, 25yearfan said:

A similar situation used to happen years ago when ACU licensed riders raced sand track at Mablethorpe beach cause the club wasn't affiliated to the ACU. Some riders used to race under an assumed name but eventually riders stopped doing this cause it was proved that as long as proper rules, health and safety and insurance were provided then it was not illegal for the club to run outside the ACU

Proven ? Is this documented anywhere 

[25yearfan]

I think its been said (not sure if its documented) that in a democratic Country an organisation like the ACU can't stop a motorcycle club not affiliated to them from staging events, hence why the Mablethorpe Sand racing club has been running continually up to the pandemic for 50 years since 1970.

 

Similarly there is still a handful of flapper greyhound tracks that are not affiliated to the main greyhound racing organisation. 

 

Like I said take this matter to a court of law and the BSPL would likely lose and British speedway is also in no position to ban a load of NDL standard riders cause the League would cease to be competitive and viable.

[topsoil]

From what I've seen this season, Isle of Wight are missing out on a good league campaign. I'm new to the National League, but the three meetings I've season at Berwick have been entertaining. Each team I have seen so far has had a success story (Mason Watson, Greg Blair, George Rothery, the McGurks, Archie Freeman, both Thompsons, Josh Embleton, just a few from the teams I've seen). A lot of the meetings are close and have well matched teams. Berwick are also getting very good crowds watching the National League matches as part of double headers. Could have had themselves eight decent home meetings, plus any more they wanted to put together.

[East End Fan]

1 hour ago, topsoil said:

From what I've seen this season, Isle of Wight are missing out on a good league campaign. I'm new to the National League, but the three meetings I've season at Berwick have been entertaining. Each team I have seen so far has had a success story (Mason Watson, Greg Blair, George Rothery, the McGurks, Archie Freeman, both Thompsons, Josh Embleton, just a few from the teams I've seen). A lot of the meetings are close and have well matched teams. Berwick are also getting very good crowds watching the National League matches as part of double headers. Could have had themselves eight decent home meetings, plus any more they wanted to put together.

Begs the question...Is it too late for a change of heart by the promoters at IOW ?  Still many weeks left between now and the end of October.

[phillwhitewasmad]

13 minutes ago, East End Fan said:

Begs the question...Is it too late for a change of heart by the promoters at IOW ?  Still many weeks left between now and the end of October.

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Posted May 29

Was at the meeting and got to say it was a fantastic advert for national league speedway. Maybe some who thought the reduced limit would effect the product should think again .

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[Sings4Speedway]

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Was at the meeting and got to say it was a fantastic advert for national league speedway. Maybe some who thought the reduced limit would effect the product should think again .

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Meeting of the two surprise packages with Berwick over achieving and Leicester under thus far. Was still  a meeting of multiple fallers and two races in one. Faller stats from Newcastle are far worse. 

Dont forget that the reduced limit is only having a lesser effect this year, with inflated averages the league will be a whole lot worse next season. 

[TMW]

2 hours ago, topsoil said:

From what I've seen this season, Isle of Wight are missing out on a good league campaign. I'm new to the National League, but the three meetings I've season at Berwick have been entertaining. Each team I have seen so far has had a success story (Mason Watson, Greg Blair, George Rothery, the McGurks, Archie Freeman, both Thompsons, Josh Embleton, just a few from the teams I've seen). A lot of the meetings are close and have well matched teams. Berwick are also getting very good crowds watching the National League matches as part of double headers. Could have had themselves eight decent home meetings, plus any more they wanted to put together.

You tend to need read the whole story to understand where the IOW are coming from. The 35 point limit is just one factor and it’s well documented it’s about BSPL dictatorship and dictating to them how their business will run with absolutely no engagement apart from ‘Yo knew this was coming’ probably some of the most chilling words I’ve ever heard !! 

[Halifaxtiger]

8 hours ago, topsoil said:

From what I've seen this season, Isle of Wight are missing out on a good league campaign. I'm new to the National League, but the three meetings I've season at Berwick have been entertaining. Each team I have seen so far has had a success story (Mason Watson, Greg Blair, George Rothery, the McGurks, Archie Freeman, both Thompsons, Josh Embleton, just a few from the teams I've seen). A lot of the meetings are close and have well matched teams. Berwick are also getting very good crowds watching the National League matches as part of double headers. Could have had themselves eight decent home meetings, plus any more they wanted to put together.

TMW is right.

You need to look at the full circumstances before judging the Isle of Wight promotion - I haven't seen anyone yet try to defend the decision making process that led both to the points limit and the Warriors withdrawal. Nor have I seen a Warriors fan who is anything but 100% behind the decision they have taken (and there are many others who agree).

Truth is, the stupidity, incompetence and selfishness of certain members of the BSPL may have caused the loss of by far and away the most innovative and customer focussed promotion in Britain at a point when we need every track we can get. 

In any case, Isle of Wight can still have an excellent season without needing the attraction of a Championship match to ensure an adequate attendance - if the apparent (and illegal) threats of fines and bans being given to riders are dropped. 

 

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Was at the meeting and got to say it was a fantastic advert for national league speedway. Maybe some who thought the reduced limit would effect the product should think again .

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What is your problem ? The IOW not competing affects you, how? 

[phillwhitewasmad]

No problem at all it was a response to east end fans post it shows Barry Bishop laughing emoji in response to my question on a different thread . Like I have said before it's a shame another track is lost to British speedway it's there prerogative,

[TMW]

13 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

No problem at all it was a response to east end fans post it shows Barry Bishop laughing emoji in response to my question on a different thread . Like I have said before it's a shame another track is lost to British speedway it's there prerogative,

The track hasn’t  been lost so you can rest assured 

[topsoil]

12 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Meeting of the two surprise packages with Berwick over achieving and Leicester under thus far. Was still  a meeting of multiple fallers and two races in one. Faller stats from Newcastle are far worse. 

Dont forget that the reduced limit is only having a lesser effect this year, with inflated averages the league will be a whole lot worse next season. 

If you're taking about the meeting at Berwick, I can only remember one, Micky Simpson.

 

2 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

No problem at all it was a response to east end fans post it shows Barry Bishop laughing emoji in response to my question on a different thread . Like I have said before it's a shame another track is lost to British speedway it's there prerogative,

This says a lot to me

[Sings4Speedway]

1 hour ago, topsoil said:

If you're taking about the meeting at Berwick, I can only remember one, Micky Simpson.

 

This says a lot to me

At Berwick x1, at Leicester x4, at Newcastle x 8 (although 4 was same person). A rider making his Debut at Newcastle scored 5+3 just by staying aboard and picking up scraps. Im not saying there isn't racing and passes taking place because that isn't true but in the majority its because the lesser riders hop out of the start and then get passed by the better quality riders. 

Looking at next season these lesser quality riders will still be signed as 2nd strings and even 3rd heat leaders with new rookies coming in. Wind forward a year or two and the likes of Watson or Rothery could have averages that force them to be number 1's but will they have improved enough to be of similar standard to what Flint or Bickley are now? If yes then the system works but if the more likely no then there is an even poorer product attempting to be sold to the public.

[topsoil]

1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

At Berwick x1, at Leicester x4, at Newcastle x 8 (although 4 was same person). A rider making his Debut at Newcastle scored 5+3 just by staying aboard and picking up scraps. Im not saying there isn't racing and passes taking place because that isn't true but in the majority its because the lesser riders hop out of the start and then get passed by the better quality riders. 

Looking at next season these lesser quality riders will still be signed as 2nd strings and even 3rd heat leaders with new rookies coming in. Wind forward a year or two and the likes of Watson or Rothery could have averages that force them to be number 1's but will they have improved enough to be of similar standard to what Flint or Bickley are now? If yes then the system works but if the more likely no then there is an even poorer product attempting to be sold to the public.

Isn't that called progression? It's what this league is supposed to be all about, a conveyor belt into the championship, the premiership.

[Sings4Speedway]

1 minute ago, topsoil said:

Isn't that called progression? It's what this league is supposed to be all about, a conveyor belt into the championship, the premiership.

Whilst i agree that is one of the leagues primary objectives creating a system where everyone ups thier average and therefore "improves" is like school sports days where everyone is a winner. What about the idea that riders have to be good enough first and then take the chances that come thier way? This all inclusive idea could produce a conveyor belt of riders under prepared for higher leagues and generate a far greater divide between the ability of UK riders vs the rest of the world.

[topsoil]

1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Whilst i agree that is one of the leagues primary objectives creating a system where everyone ups thier average and therefore "improves" is like school sports days where everyone is a winner. What about the idea that riders have to be good enough first and then take the chances that come thier way? This all inclusive idea could produce a conveyor belt of riders under prepared for higher leagues and generate a far greater divide between the ability of UK riders vs the rest of the world.

I don't understand the school sports day analogy. Only riders deemed good enough by the Championship / Premiership teams will get chosen to ride in those leagues and your average will only go up if you score enough points. Don't know where your all inclusive idea comes in.

[mikebv]

On 6 June 2021 at 6:44 AM, Halifaxtiger said:

You're dead right, although that would have to be done very much off the record. I don't see the difference between refusing to select and a ban - they are effectively pretty much the same thing. However, we do know only too well how bloody vindictive the BSPL can be.

Two other points :

If 14 NL riders compete in just one meeting on the Island they can't dump them all because there just aren't enough at NL standard as it is. Verge, King & Wirtzfeld all have close ties to the Warriors; could Eastbourne drop all three ??

My suspicion is that put to the test not all clubs would actually behave the way the BSPL might want them to. There could be a lot more understanding out there for Isle of Wight than they might like.

And if the riders were NDL heat leaders then the Championship would be 'Donald Ducked' too...

Which is strangely synergetic given the 'Mickey Mouse' aspect of how this sport can often be ran...