Falcon1983 Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 Probably not a popular thing to say but I think the NDL needs to be scrapped completely now, the UK should run with just the Premiership and Championship as a professional and semi-professional league structure. The aim should be for a 10 team Premiership within the next 2 seasons and if you take Swindon/Somerset coming back then it would create a 12 team Championship if Mildenhall and IOW go up into a Championship. Othe Future stars list there are 55 riders with some names missing! thats at least 4 riders per team so you could have 4 of these riders in the Championship running at no.2/4/6/7 with 3 more experienced riders as heat leaders, would be better progression for riders than being thrown in the premiership at no.7 from the off You could then look to have a development racing programme consisting of 4 riders per team and encourage as many clubs to participate as possible and have a mixture of 125/250/500 junior racing on either as a 2nd half event or if say doors open at 6.30pm for a 7.45 start have them doing their programme before the meeting starts. say a 6 heat format where each rider gets 3 programmed rides track experience only no points, any that are good enough come into the rising star programme when ready as a 1* rider 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Falcon1983 said: 1 hour ago, Falcon1983 said: You could then look to have a development racing programme consisting of 4 riders per team and encourage as many clubs to participate as possible and have a mixture of 125/250/500 junior racing on either as a 2nd half event or if say doors open at 6.30pm for a 7.45 start have them doing their programme before the meeting starts. say a 6 heat format where each rider gets 3 programmed rides track experience only no points, any that are good enough come into the rising star programme when ready as a 1* rider I'm a massive advocate of junior racing and scrapping the Ndl would be ridiculous do you not understand the massive step from second half level to league racing. Having it as you say would be madness from occasional second half's to championship in one step Edited February 19, 2021 by phillwhitewasmad 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 19, 2021 Report Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Falcon1983 said: Probably not a popular thing to say but I think the NDL needs to be scrapped completely now, the UK should run with just the Premiership and Championship as a professional and semi-professional league structure. The aim should be for a 10 team Premiership within the next 2 seasons and if you take Swindon/Somerset coming back then it would create a 12 team Championship if Mildenhall and IOW go up into a Championship. Othe Future stars list there are 55 riders with some names missing! thats at least 4 riders per team so you could have 4 of these riders in the Championship running at no.2/4/6/7 with 3 more experienced riders as heat leaders, would be better progression for riders than being thrown in the premiership at no.7 from the off You could then look to have a development racing programme consisting of 4 riders per team and encourage as many clubs to participate as possible and have a mixture of 125/250/500 junior racing on either as a 2nd half event or if say doors open at 6.30pm for a 7.45 start have them doing their programme before the meeting starts. say a 6 heat format where each rider gets 3 programmed rides track experience only no points, any that are good enough come into the rising star programme when ready as a 1* rider Takes deep breath, laughs and then thinks every word written above is utter ridiculous tosh. Im not even sure where to start? 4 rising stars in the Champs with 3 far experienced/higher grade riders per team generating a gulf in racing worse than there is now. Clubs letting riders out onto the hallowed shale pre meeting? very few even allow the mascots out and non would risk a delay in start time due to a 2nd half taking place. Have you looked at the numbers of 125/250 riders competing? there are very few 250 riders and nowhere near enough to generate a league of 4 rider teams even if they only formed half of it. I stand by my previous statements that the only good thing about British speedway over the recent years has been the lower leagues, the National league and the development leagues who have tireless volunteers doing it for nothing other than the love of the sport and i find your comments above insulting to all of those involved past and present. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 Stewart Dickson is hopeful of a 7/8 team NL season and that sounds sustainable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 I just hope the BSPl dont poke their unwanted snouts into a League that they know little about and ruin it for the stand alones.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted February 20, 2021 Report Share Posted February 20, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 2:31 PM, Falcon1983 said: Probably not a popular thing to say but I think the NDL needs to be scrapped completely now, the UK should run with just the Premiership and Championship as a professional and semi-professional league structure. The aim should be for a 10 team Premiership within the next 2 seasons and if you take Swindon/Somerset coming back then it would create a 12 team Championship if Mildenhall and IOW go up into a Championship. Othe Future stars list there are 55 riders with some names missing! thats at least 4 riders per team so you could have 4 of these riders in the Championship running at no.2/4/6/7 with 3 more experienced riders as heat leaders, would be better progression for riders than being thrown in the premiership at no.7 from the off You could then look to have a development racing programme consisting of 4 riders per team and encourage as many clubs to participate as possible and have a mixture of 125/250/500 junior racing on either as a 2nd half event or if say doors open at 6.30pm for a 7.45 start have them doing their programme before the meeting starts. say a 6 heat format where each rider gets 3 programmed rides track experience only no points, any that are good enough come into the rising star programme when ready as a 1* rider Ludicrous ideas! Without the 3rd tier, you probably wouldn't have Birmingham, Scunthorpe, Plymouth, Berwick and Eastbourne in the 2nd tier. These are clubs who either dropped down to the NL to keep going or reopened in it! Mildenhall and the IoW probably would close if the NL folded! The step from junior racing to Championship level is huge so the NL is a more than useful stepping stone! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 So who are the rumoured 7-8 teams. Obviously mildenhall and isle of wight. I assume armadale, Bellevue and leicester will be back. Newcastle have started building their nl side... but will that be in the league or trophy? Eastbourne are rumoured. Anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 43 minutes ago, Dandelion said: So who are the rumoured 7-8 teams. Obviously mildenhall and isle of wight. I assume armadale, Bellevue and leicester will be back. Newcastle have started building their nl side... but will that be in the league or trophy? Eastbourne are rumoured. Anyone else? Kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 4 hours ago, flipper11 said: Kent Ah yes kent too... so theres 8? Anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Dandelion said: Ah yes kent too... so theres 8? Anymore? Its been alledged as a new track to league racing....? Odsal wont be ready and isnt new. Lydd wouldn't get a license so can likely only be northside or the other training track thats up north and i forgetvits name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrow Boy 2 Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 On 2/20/2021 at 12:25 AM, Islander15 said: Stewart Dickson is hopeful of a 7/8 team NL season and that sounds sustainable to me. There are only 4 dates reserved for BNL racing in Leicester's fixture list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 43 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Its been alledged as a new track to league racing....? Odsal wont be ready and isnt new. Lydd wouldn't get a license so can likely only be northside or the other training track thats up north and i forgetvits name? If Northside opened a nl side it would be carnage... its TINY would only get like 100-200 spectators at most too and the car park is basically non existent Is this new track a NEW track to any league racing or just new to the nl? Sounds like the nl may be a decent size then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) Also duns is the other training track up here... and it's just as small Edited February 21, 2021 by Dandelion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, Barrow Boy 2 said: There are only 4 dates reserved for BNL racing in Leicester's fixture list I think a lot of clubs who are attempting to track two sides might struggle to get all the fixtures in. I hope the league doesn't get split into North / South groups as 6 fixtures wouldn't be worth it for many riders or spectators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dandelion said: If Northside opened a nl side it would be carnage... its TINY would only get like 100-200 spectators at most too and the car park is basically non existent Is this new track a NEW track to any league racing or just new to the nl? Sounds like the nl may be a decent size then? There are no set dimensions for a track length and northside has previously had junior league and British youth championship racing held there so it must have conformed at that point Edited February 21, 2021 by phillwhitewasmad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said: There are no set dimensions for a track length and northside has previously had junior league and British youth championship racing held there slit must have conformed at that point I know that. It's a decent little track, been there many, many times... but I feel british youth round are all it should handle. National league meetings are a different thing all together... would be good to see but I just dont see it happening. I assume the track dimensions are legal in terms of the rules, but safe and interesting? Probably not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Dandelion said: I know that. It's a decent little track, been there many, many times... but I feel british youth round are all it should handle. National league meetings are a different thing all together... would be good to see but I just dont see it happening. I assume the track dimensions are legal in terms of the rules, but safe and interesting? Probably not So it's safe for kids but not adults Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Barrow Boy 2 said: There are only 4 dates reserved for BNL racing in Leicester's fixture list That could be workable if there was an 8 team league with 3 full members (Belle Vue, Mildenhall, IOW) able/looking to run a whole season and 5 (reserve teams) only looking for 4 home fixtures. The 5 only host matches against other reserve teams for 4 home fixtures. With their remaining 'home' fixtures taking place at the full members tracks, i.e. they visit Belle Vue, Mildenhall & IOW twice. So reserve teams would in reality have 4 home and 10 away fixtures. And the full members would have 12 home fixtures and only 2 away fixtures. Not ideal but you end up with a final table in which every team has met its opponents twice over the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25yearfan Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) There was a big article in the speedway star at the back end of last year where the owner of Northside revealed his plans to build a big track on spare land on the site and eventually build up the facilities and stage League racing there. - This indicates that the current track wouldn't be the track used for a League team there! This takes us back to the ludicrous poster who suggests scrapping the 3rd tier of British speedway, one of the best innovations in speedway ever, something that should have been done 15- 20 years earlier, a League that enabled clubs to reopen/ open in a cheaper viable set up and has provided the stepping stone for many young riders including Britains most successful rider Tai Woffinden! - In the the case of Northside, I presume that a League side there would be called the Workington Comets beings its in the Town and that was the name of the long running speedway team that used to race at Derwent Park in the town until it closed a couple of years ago due to low crowds making it unprofitable. - Now do you think that anyone would be willing to restart a previously unprofitable speedway team if the 3rd Division didn't exist meaning they would only have two options being the Championship, the very League Workington were unprofitable in or the Premiership which is probably even more expensive to run in? Edited February 21, 2021 by 25yearfan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted February 21, 2021 Report Share Posted February 21, 2021 4 hours ago, phillwhitewasmad said: There are no set dimensions for a track length and northside has previously had junior league and British youth championship racing held there so it must have conformed at that point Watching the riders wrestle with a 500cc at Northside was interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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