ray c Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 1/8/2021 at 6:18 PM, sugarray said: Can't see Stadia Uk opening Poole Stadium for 7 meetings might not open it at all . has stadia uk got any other plans for use of the stadium yet ?. i presume it is still only the car park money which keeps it open now ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) On 1/11/2021 at 1:14 PM, ray c said: might not open it at all . has stadia uk got any other plans for use of the stadium yet ?. i presume it is still only the car park money which keeps it open now ? If you mean non-sporting use, they can have all the plans they like but, unfortunately for them, they don't own it. Edited January 12, 2021 by Sotonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Sotonian said: If you mean non-sporting use, they can have all the plans they like but, unfortunately for them, they don't own it. it is there business .they must have some idea of where there going otherwise they would have handed the keys back by now. nearly a year now there have been any activity down the stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 13 hours ago, ray c said: it is there business .they must have some idea of where there going otherwise they would have handed the keys back by now. nearly a year now there have been any activity down the stadium Well at least Danny Ford has announced today that it is still Poole's intention to be part of the 'Championship mix' whatever the format is!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Well at least Danny Ford has announced today that it is still Poole's intention to be part of the 'Championship mix' whatever the format is!! yes i saw that which is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 13, 2021 Report Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Well at least Danny Ford has announced today that it is still Poole's intention to be part of the 'Championship mix' whatever the format is!! The 'Championship mix'? Will that be four double uppers/downers from the 'top league' and two double uppers from the NL, per team, I wonder...? With the 'top league' running pretty much the same, but replacing the NL riders with two riders who don't DU but ride overseas as well? That would keep the demarcation between the leagues that the 'top league' seem to desperately want.... Although no idea why this is given for the past several years a great many riders in every top league team ride outside the top league for lower league teams over here too... Not much difference in ability level when it's the same rider.... Edited January 13, 2021 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 23 hours ago, mikebv said: The 'Championship mix'? Will that be four double uppers/downers from the 'top league' and two double uppers from the NL, per team, I wonder...? With the 'top league' running pretty much the same, but replacing the NL riders with two riders who don't DU but ride overseas as well? That would keep the demarcation between the leagues that the 'top league' seem to desperately want.... Although no idea why this is given for the past several years a great many riders in every top league team ride outside the top league for lower league teams over here too... Not much difference in ability level when it's the same rider.... Honestly I think there could be as many as 5 double up/down riders per team between the leagues with possibly a couple of foreigners who don't/wont (if they can be attracted at all); (or maybe one or two like Dan Bewley who may have a Polish team but will possibly still ride in the Premiership only) the only way they can differentiate between the leagues is let the 6 in the top league build their teams to 48.5 points (or more if they can find the riders) and allow the championship to build to 38.5 points as its the only way I can see to put some distance between the leagues. The National League can build to 28.5 points. With 6 top league teams and 12 teams (if Plymouth come up) in the championship leaving Mildenhall and the IOW as stand alone teams in the National League with others clubs 2nd or junior 7's it isn't boding well; as posted on another thread you need 126 riders to fill the slots in the top two leagues so that's 42 for the Premiership and 84 for the Championship and if 30 of those riding in the top league double up/down that still leaves 54 riders required for the Championship and the question is do we have that number of riders available? Its not looking good is it? Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Swindon and now Somerset have dropped out of any future planning so maybe Falcons theory is a ‘last resort’ scenario. Almost 60 riders listed requiring nearly 9 tracks needed to at least get a speedway season in what would be a one-off season.The alternative of no speedway will be disastrous for riders and the sport in the U.K. Go back to 1958 I think there were less tracks operating and people said then that speedway as a major sport was finished.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly I think there could be as many as 5 double up/down riders per team between the leagues with possibly a couple of foreigners who don't/wont (if they can be attracted at all); (or maybe one or two like Dan Bewley who may have a Polish team but will possibly still ride in the Premiership only) the only way they can differentiate between the leagues is let the 6 in the top league build their teams to 48.5 points (or more if they can find the riders) and allow the championship to build to 38.5 points as its the only way I can see to put some distance between the leagues. The National League can build to 28.5 points. With 6 top league teams and 12 teams (if Plymouth come up) in the championship leaving Mildenhall and the IOW as stand alone teams in the National League with others clubs 2nd or junior 7's it isn't boding well; as posted on another thread you need 126 riders to fill the slots in the top two leagues so that's 42 for the Premiership and 84 for the Championship and if 30 of those riding in the top league double up/down that still leaves 54 riders required for the Championship and the question is do we have that number of riders available? Its not looking good is it? Regards THJ Not looking great, however... Some innovative, radical thoughts around meeting formats, team numbers, and how best to provide the UK lads with lots of racing to maximise earnings, and get lots of track time with which to improve, could still mean the season goes ahead... Promoters will be given a 'free pass' if their plan involves running on 'the best nights to get a crowd', and setting a 'reasonable' entrance fee to reflect what could be a heavily watered down product from the last few years'.... 'Any Speedway' will be seen as better than no Speedway by many, and supported by them too... The irony is that Speedway has always been a 'bit' contrived in the UK, so we as fans are used to 'making it up as you go along' regulations. Therefore, we will all be well used to any sort of 'happenings' as the season progresses and will, in the main I am sure, give it plenty of acceptance... Remember that this is a sport in the UK that as recent as 2018 decided that their flagship meeting could include two Swindon riders in a Final that involved Poole and Kings Lynn. And initially decided that they could 'swap sides' at 'half time' and both represent both teams!!!  Not even a Covid impacted season, that sees lots of contrived rules to ensure it gets completed, could top that surely? But if it did, we as fans would accept it this following year I am sure.. Edited January 14, 2021 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) Well I looked at your starting list and have pulled the following off the net and I have removed the ones I know for sure who aren't riding in the UK this year and there will be a few more who wont be riding on the here that others know for sure who will not be available and maybe one or two more who will be but I think we will struggle... The pot is still half full but I think someone might have had a Pee in it when no one was looking... All were used in the last full season (2019) 1  Aaron Summers 26  Danyon Hume 51  Joe Thompson 76  Matt Marson 101  Sam Jensen 2  Adam Ellis 27  David Bellego 52  Joel Andersson 77  Matthew Wethers 102  Sam Masters 3  Alex Spooner 28  David Wallinger 53  Jordan Jenkins 78  Max Clegg 103  Scott Campos 4  Alfie Bowtell 29  Dawid Lampart 54  Jordan Palin 79  Michael Palm Toft 104  Scott Nicholls 5  Anders Rowe 30  Dimitri Berge 55  Jordan Stewart 80  Mikkel B Andersen 105  Simon Lambert 6  Ashley Morris 31  Drew Kemp 56  Josh Auty 81  Nathan Greaves 106  Stefan Nielsen 7  Ben Barker 32  Edward Kennett 57  Josh Bailey 82  Nathan Stoneman 107  Steve Worrall 8  Ben Morley 33  Ellis Perks 58  Josh Bates 83  Nick Agertoft 108  Tero Aarnio 9  Bradley Wilson-Dean 34  Erik Riss 59  Josh Grajczonek 84  Nick Morris 109  Thomas Jorgensen 10  Brady Kurtz 35  Fernando Garcia 60  Josh MacDonald 85  Nicklas Porsing 110  Tobias Thomsen 11  Broc Nicol 36  Georgie Wood 61  Josh Pickering 86  Nicolai Klindt 111  Tobiasz Musielak 12  Cameron Heeps 37  Hans Andersen 62  Justin Sedgmen 87  Niels-Kristian Iversen 112  Todd Kurtz 13  Charles Wright 38  Henry Atkins 63  Jye Etheridge 88  Nikolaj Busk Jakobsen 113  Tom Bacon 14  Chris Harris 39  Jack Holder 64  Kasper Andersen 89  Paco Castagna 114  Tom Brennan 15  Claus Vissing 40  Jack Smith 65  Kristian Pieszczek 90  Paul Starke 115  Tom Perry 16  Connor Bailey 41  Jack Thomas 66  Kye Thomson 91  Rasmus Jensen 116  Tom Woolley 17  Connor Coles 42  Jacob Bukhave 67  Kyle Bickley 92  Richard Andrew 117  Troy Batchelor 18  Connor Mountain 43  Jacob Thorssell 68  Kyle Howarth 93  Richard Lawson 118  Ty Proctor 19  Craig Cook 44  Jake Allen 69  Kyle Newman 94  Richard Lawson 119  Ulrich Ostergaard 20  Dan Bewley 45  James Sarjeant 70  Leon Flint 95  Richie Worrall 120  Valentin Grobauer 21  Dan Gilkes 46  James Shanes 71  Lewis Kerr 96  Ricky Wells 121  Victor Palovaara 22  Dan Thompson 47  James Wright 72  Luke Becker 97  Rob Ledwith 122  William Lawson 23  Daniel Gappmaier 48  Jason Edwards 73  Luke Chessell 98  Rory Schlein 123  Zach Wajtknecht 24  Danny King 49  Jed List 74  Luke Harris 99  Ryan Douglas 124  Zaine Kennedy 25  Danny Phillips 50  Joe Lawlor 75  Luke Ruddick 100  Ryan Kinsley 125   So let the scratching begin and lets see what we are left with as like I have said there will be loads of these on here who will not be back any time soon... and the bottom line is we require at least 96(ish) riders as a minimum... Regards THJ Edited January 14, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Well I looked at your starting list and have pulled the following off the net and I have removed the ones I know for sure who aren't riding in the UK this year and there will be a few more who wont be riding on the here that others know for sure who will not be available and maybe one or two more who will be but I think we will struggle... The pot is still half full but I think someone might have had a Pee in it when no one was looking... All were used in the last full season (2019) 1  Aaron Summers 26  Danyon Hume 51  Joe Thompson 76  Matt Marson 101  Sam Jensen 2  Adam Ellis 27  David Bellego 52  Joel Andersson 77  Matthew Wethers 102  Sam Masters 3  Alex Spooner 28  David Wallinger 53  Jordan Jenkins 78  Max Clegg 103  Scott Campos 4  Alfie Bowtell 29  Dawid Lampart 54  Jordan Palin 79  Michael Palm Toft 104  Scott Nicholls 5  Anders Rowe 30  Dimitri Berge 55  Jordan Stewart 80  Mikkel B Andersen 105  Simon Lambert 6  Ashley Morris 31  Drew Kemp 56  Josh Auty 81  Nathan Greaves 106  Stefan Nielsen 7  Ben Barker 32  Edward Kennett 57  Josh Bailey 82  Nathan Stoneman 107  Steve Worrall 8  Ben Morley 33  Ellis Perks 58  Josh Bates 83  Nick Agertoft 108  Tero Aarnio 9  Bradley Wilson-Dean 34  Erik Riss 59  Josh Grajczonek 84  Nick Morris 109  Thomas Jorgensen 10  Brady Kurtz 35  Fernando Garcia 60  Josh MacDonald 85  Nicklas Porsing 110  Tobias Thomsen 11  Broc Nicol 36  Georgie Wood 61  Josh Pickering 86  Nicolai Klindt 111  Tobiasz Musielak 12  Cameron Heeps 37  Hans Andersen 62  Justin Sedgmen 87  Niels-Kristian Iversen 112  Todd Kurtz 13  Charles Wright 38  Henry Atkins 63  Jye Etheridge 88  Nikolaj Busk Jakobsen 113  Tom Bacon 14  Chris Harris 39  Jack Holder 64  Kasper Andersen 89  Paco Castagna 114  Tom Brennan 15  Claus Vissing 40  Jack Smith 65  Kristian Pieszczek 90  Paul Starke 115  Tom Perry 16  Connor Bailey 41  Jack Thomas 66  Kye Thomson 91  Rasmus Jensen 116  Tom Woolley 17  Connor Coles 42  Jacob Bukhave 67  Kyle Bickley 92  Richard Andrew 117  Troy Batchelor 18  Connor Mountain 43  Jacob Thorssell 68  Kyle Howarth 93  Richard Lawson 118  Ty Proctor 19  Craig Cook 44  Jake Allen 69  Kyle Newman 94  Richard Lawson 119  Ulrich Ostergaard 20  Dan Bewley 45  James Sarjeant 70  Leon Flint 95  Richie Worrall 120  Valentin Grobauer 21  Dan Gilkes 46  James Shanes 71  Lewis Kerr 96  Ricky Wells 121  Victor Palovaara 22  Dan Thompson 47  James Wright 72  Luke Becker 97  Rob Ledwith 122  William Lawson 23  Daniel Gappmaier 48  Jason Edwards 73  Luke Chessell 98  Rory Schlein 123  Zach Wajtknecht 24  Danny King 49  Jed List 74  Luke Harris 99  Ryan Douglas 124  Zaine Kennedy 25  Danny Phillips 50  Joe Lawlor 75  Luke Ruddick 100  Ryan Kinsley 125   So let the scratching begin and lets see what we are left with as like I have said there will be loads of these on here who will not be back any time soon... and the bottom line is we require at least 96(ish) riders as a minimum... Regards THJ Great list I've counted at least 26 riders who possibly wont come to Britain to race with 6 of those 100% definitely not in the UK Leaves slim pickings  If you go back to my theory you're literally asking teams at the AGM who wants to sit out 2021 but here is what we want to do in 2022 so plan early Whatever they decide they need to also have 2022 more or less sorted in terms of set up even if you pencil Swindon in and they dont return  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: Great list I've counted at least 26 riders who possibly wont come to Britain to race with 6 of those 100% definitely not in the UK Leaves slim pickings  If you go back to my theory you're literally asking teams at the AGM who wants to sit out 2021 but here is what we want to do in 2022 so plan early Whatever they decide they need to also have 2022 more or less sorted in terms of set up even if you pencil Swindon in and they dont return  So with potentially 26 off that list it means we are starting to get down to the magical 96 figure for the two leagues and all you need are a few injuries and that will potentially wipe out a team as there will be no viable replacements, so back to R/R and Guests and we all know how everyone loves them... Think Plymouth might be disappointed... (hope not but it isn't looking good) However that still doesn't improve the position for 2022 either unless its North and South Leagues with doubling across the leagues or one big league but for one big league you are back in the same predicament that there just isn't the riders available to run one big league with 7 man teams 126 riders for 18 teams 108 for sixes and 90 for five man teams... the other problem is "our usual go to rider pool i.e. foreign riders... are not the easy option they used to be following Brexit" Taxi for anyone... could be time to go... Regards THJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Should Jason Garrity (R/R) be on the list? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 Just now, Lefty said: Should Jason Garrity (R/R) be on the list? No he was one of the first ones I scrubbed...  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: So with potentially 26 off that list it means we are starting to get down to the magical 96 figure for the two leagues and all you need are a few injuries and that will potentially wipe out a team as there will be no viable replacements, so back to R/R and Guests and we all know how everyone loves them... Think Plymouth might be disappointed... (hope not but it isn't looking good) However that still doesn't improve the position for 2022 either unless its North and South Leagues with doubling across the leagues or one big league but for one big league you are back in the same predicament that there just isn't the riders available to run one big league with 7 man teams 126 riders for 18 teams 108 for sixes and 90 for five man teams... the other problem is "our usual go to rider pool i.e. foreign riders... are not the easy option they used to be following Brexit" Taxi for anyone... could be time to go... Regards THJ Somehow in the past teams were put together without averages being used. Simply put it was 3 heat leaders 2 second strings and 2 reserves. If promoters can for once come together for the sake of the sport and put aside their own interests then maybe, if the season can start, get a semblance of a competition going. Who will really care who rides for who so long as it gets speedway going and I’m convinced people will want live entertainment after so long away from the sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: So with potentially 26 off that list it means we are starting to get down to the magical 96 figure for the two leagues and all you need are a few injuries and that will potentially wipe out a team as there will be no viable replacements, so back to R/R and Guests and we all know how everyone loves them... Think Plymouth might be disappointed... (hope not but it isn't looking good) However that still doesn't improve the position for 2022 either unless its North and South Leagues with doubling across the leagues or one big league but for one big league you are back in the same predicament that there just isn't the riders available to run one big league with 7 man teams 126 riders for 18 teams 108 for sixes and 90 for five man teams... the other problem is "our usual go to rider pool i.e. foreign riders... are not the easy option they used to be following Brexit" Taxi for anyone... could be time to go... Regards THJ I think Plymouth might well be in line to replace Somerset? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moomin man 76 Posted January 14, 2021 Report Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Lefty said: Should Jason Garrity (R/R) be on the list? May well be needing to ask if he is available on day release... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moranboys Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 I just want to know what this "new concept" is when the b.s.p.a release the fixture list.in my honest opinion I would be surprised if we saw a speedway season again this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Moranboys said: I just want to know what this "new concept" is when the b.s.p.a release the fixture list.in my honest opinion I would be surprised if we saw a speedway season again this year. Bet it will be something to do with helmet colours, or maybe 4 man teams 5 laps races going clockwise and the season starts 1st November.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moranboys Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Speedtiger said: Bet it will be something to do with helmet colours, or maybe 4 man teams 5 laps races going clockwise and the season starts 1st November.    Nice one...!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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